For the uninitiated in the elite Dyna leagues, what's the deal with that aluminum truss holding the snare wires? How do the wires work if there is a frame around them?Just wonderin'ToodlesDrumhack Car Driving2Cool1Sumo Dudeguitar3guitar2
The Dynasonic uses special wires.
Probably the most concise, and best............. Thank you Tommy P
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=631&highlight=setting+dynasonic
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Dynasonic doesn't have a snare bed because it doesn't need one. A snare bed on a regular drum is there to keep the snares flat on the resonant head, the bridge on the Dynasonic does that on it's own, so how could having snare beds on a Dynasonic change the sound? It seems to me that snare beds on a Dynasonic, if it has a functioning bridge, would do absolutely nothing. The snares are screwed on the bridge and stay tensioned even when the snare wire is disengaged. I don't see how having snare beds would do anything to the sound of the drum.
BTW, Ploughman, I did not know the beds were cut and the pics show everything, someone should have spotted it.
The pics were taken at the shop I bought the drum, no one mentioned anything other than the interior being painted.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Dynasonic doesn't have a snare bed because it doesn't need one. A snare bed on a regular drum is there to keep the snares flat on the resonant head, the bridge on the Dynasonic does that on it's own, so how could having snare beds on a Dynasonic change the sound? It seems to me that snare beds on a Dynasonic, if it has a functioning bridge, would do absolutely nothing. The snares are screwed on the bridge and stay tensioned even when the snare wire is disengaged. I don't see how having snare beds would do anything to the sound of the drum.BTW, Ploughman, I did not know the beds were cut and the pics show everything, someone should have spotted it.The pics were taken at the shop I bought the drum, no one mentioned anything other than the interior being painted.
Holy Crap.
Why not just post " My name is jr and I dont know **** about drums. "
You dont see, you dont hear, you wont learn.
Dude, you are done selling here. You wont even be able to sell a screw after tonight.
Here is the PM I exchanged with Johnnyringo before the drum was sold.
I will gladly forward any PMs to anyone, and everyone who asks.
and Johnny....... you are an a-ss hole.
Re: Rogers
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Originally Posted by johnnyringo
I understand you're a big Rogers collector, but please don't call the drum I'm trying to sell as a
"really messed up drum", I don't consider the interior as critical as the exterior of a drum, unless ofcourse there are cracks or gauges in it, but paint doesn't bother me too much. I'm not trying to decieve anyone and I think considering what a wood dynasonic goes for that is mint, I think my price of $1,200 shipped is a fair price, thanks,
JR
I clearly understand you werent trying to deceive anyone about the condition of the drum. Please understand that.
I have seen a lot of faked Dynasonics. From really badly done, as was the leecountry drum offered at 2499. And, really good ones that had what appeared to be end user modifications. Those are the hardest to nail down. The really "perfect" drums are always suspect, for simply the reason of their perfection. Someone got hung in the early 2000's on a perfect drum, at the height of the Dynasonic frenzy, and that was close to 4000.00, on a drum that proved to be a complete fake. Not even a Rogers shell.
I believe the drum you show is genuine.
I also believe Jack Lawton would be the go to person to consult about a restoration. He may even need to see the drum. When I stated the drum will never be a 2k drum, I intended that to mean unless the restoration was done by the right person. It might be possible to restore this drum and get it to a premium value. The color is rare. It might even be worth a couple hundred in restoration cost, but a person would need to have no more than aprox. 1500 in it in order to justify the risk, unless of course, it is intended to be a restored collector.
Another person to consult regarding a restoration would be Bobby Chiasson at the Drum Farm.
Period correct parts can be changed. Pitted or abused hardware can be swapped out for more perfect pieces without doing damage to the value of a drum. Value damage comes when parts are mishmashed across manufacturing eras, or parts from other manufacturers are installed with their own related damages to the shell.
One other thing you might check with this drum are the snare beds themselves. Rogers Dynasonics of this era should have had a .oo4 nominal depth. Tolerances were probably within a few thousandths. I have seen some drums from the later years that were recut for deep beds by end users who did not like the snare frame. Those drums were ruined, if the intention was to have a drum as it was made to be. If a person was only seeking the look of a Rogers snare, they filled the bill. But, the value of the drum for what it is....... was ruined.
I wouldnt dispute the price you have offered the drum. I think in this economy, closer to a thousand might be your selling point, given the risks a restoration would involve, and the related costs a restoration would encur.
As I said, after reviewing to additional pics, I feel this drum is genuine, and a candidate for a careful resoration by a qualified technichian. This is not one for the garage.
If you want be to post anything additional in the threads, just say so.
Jack.
OK, fair enough, I'll take your advice and lower the price a bit and let me apologize for any snide remarks I made in the past, no disrepect intended, thanks,
JR
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I would forward this exchange to anyone interested. This exchange took place before the drum was sold. There is no reason for him not to know.
Johnny...... learn to listen.
Here is the PM I exchanged with Johnnyringo before the drum was sold.One other thing you might check with this drum are the snare beds themselves. Rogers Dynasonics of this era should have had a .oo4 nominal depth. Tolerances were probably within a few thousandths. I have seen some drums from the later years that were recut for deep beds by end users who did not like the snare frame. Those drums were ruined, if the intention was to have a drum as it was made to be. If a person was only seeking the look of a Rogers snare, they filled the bill. But, the value of the drum for what it is....... was ruined.
Are you serious? You sent this to this guy BEFORE he sold the drum?
Un-freekin-real.
Are you serious? You sent this to this guy BEFORE he sold the drum? Un-freekin-real.
BEFORE the sale.
Nuff said.
Refund the money.
Starting with a disclaimer here-
Earlier in this thread I appeared to support Johnnyringo (seller - his real name is not Johnny either, it's Mark or Mike or something like that if I recall) anyway - I appeared to support him, and fact is, I really don't know anything about this snare drum and have never understood what those bars/ cage thing is on the bottom of those snares.
Now that I have read much of this thread, I more fully understand how that works and why the snare bed is such a HUGE deal/deal breaker in regards to the value of any given specimen of this model.
That said - yeah, a full refund is what I would do to restore my reputation and integrity, as well as refund any shipping costs - BECAUSE IT IS A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE.
At the same time, it appears that that is not likely going to happen, and thus, I had a thought a moment ago which may serve to be very helpful to the seller......
Hey Bob (Cruisin),
Perhaps the guys at NuEdg would appreciate the challenge to design an edge just for this purpose/model. Shoot, if you let them use your drum to develop this new product, they may compensate you to the satisfactory degree (and perhaps even beyond that), thus making the refund completely unnecessary. I'm not trying avoid the real issue here (principle) - just trying to help the situation you are in.
God Bless you all, you too JR (sincerely - no sarcasm here)
John
[SIZE="6"]P.S. [/SIZE] You all might be thinking I am crazy to wish blessing to JR - this whole thing is EXTREMELY SAD AND UGLY - I mean, imagine (just try) that JR really did not understand that he was doing anything wrong - then the guy is trying to pay bills - does so, trying to be responsible - and now is in a real pickle because even if he wants to refund it all in full and STAND WITH SOME DIGNITY AND DO THE RIGHT THING he is not even able to do so because he has no money. Yeah, his fault if it was all pre-meditated, but even if THAT was the case and he is now repentant (**He may be so but not express it here**), he can't even make things right because of the financial woes. Then [SIZE="4"]SHAME[/SIZE] may be pulvarising his soul - it's all just ugly ugly ugly.....................and I truly wish upon him deliverance for his hopefully repentant soul. I hope it can be said that I am addressing this as I would hope others would address this if I were in his shoes. You all know what I mean when I say that. I am not making any excuses nor even being conclusive in any judgment - I'm just saying that this is UGLY AND VERY UNFORTUNATE to have happened on this forum and I hope EVERYONE can grow from this in one way or another.
Best Blessings,
In Christ,
John
This thread is heavy man. That message ploughman posted is really crazy. Seems even the most inexperienced of vintage traders would be able to tell if a snare bed had been cut. Crazy
The Ploughman.
"I believe the drum you show is geniune."
"One other thing you might check with this drum are the snare beds themselves. Rogers Dynasonics of this era should have had a .oo4 nominal depth. Tolerances were probably within a few thousandths."
"In the case of the Rogers Dynasonic system, a bed was not required because the wire set did not extend past the bearing edges and thus it was still possible to have some vertical adjustment."
This is too easy.Coffee Break2
BTW, Ploughman, I know a ton about drums, most important, how to play them, can you say the same? I've seen a lot of your kits, but I've never seen you actually play them, c'mon, dazzle us.
BTW, Ploughman, I know how to play drums, after all that's what they are for, maybe you'd like to showcase yourself here with your playing or are you all talk.
Typical misdirection maneuver, but..........CryBabyCryBaby[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuPq2LdmiOo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuPq2LdmiOo[/ame]
