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What are 60's Oyblack Jazzfests fetching ? Last viewed: 7 seconds ago

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+1 with what K.O. said!

Some years back, I was in touch with someone selling a NOS "Ringo" Jazz Festival on eBay. Not sure if any of you remembered this one. Wish I would have downloaded pictures. Anyway, it was offered in the original box. The bidding got to around $16K I believe and then the seller pulled the auction.

Another detail that defines the rarity of Ringo's Jazz Festival is that it has been proven that it was a 5.5" shell, not a 5" shell that is standard. The prevailing theory is that Ringo's particular Jazz Festival was made from a left over shell that would have been the precursor to the Jazz Festival, which was the Barrett Deems snare drum. Same drum as the Jazz Festival, but with a 5.5" deep shell. It was renamed Jazz Festival about 1960 and new specs called for a 5" deep shell. I've no doubt there was a fairly large inventory of 5.5" shells and Ringo ended up with one.

To reiterate what K.O. said, Ludwig was cranking out hundreds of Downbeat and Super Classic kits a week to keep up with the Beatles frenzy. One way to do this was to include the Supraphonic snare drum, not a matching Jazz Festival.

Mark

Posted on 10 years ago
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Want to see Ringo's original JF snare drum? Just click this link... http://www.shop.ringosbeatlekits.com/product.sc?productId=4&categoryId=1

Yes, it's a 5.5x14

Posted on 10 years ago
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I do remember the NOS Oyster Black snare drum. Seems like they found it in the closet of a church or school or something like that. I wonder what happened to it? Is it still in it's plastic bag and box somewhere? While it would be cool to own an unplayed drum where's the fun in that as you couldn't ever play it yourself without wiping out a bunch of the value and costing yourself some dough. I want drums I can play.

I came so close to scoring an OBP Jazzfest on several occasions prior to finally getting one last fall. One was quite nice looking but had two seams in the wrap and was being sold by a guy who also sold a lot of Jazzfests that were rewraps in the modern version of the 60's wrap. He didn't admit it was done with harvested wrap but he didn't deny it either. It looked nice but I couldn't bring myself to pay his price ($1k) for what was clearly a fabricated drum.

Another time there was a whole 60's OBP Hollywood set on ebay including what appeared to be a matching Jazz fest. The pictures were just bad enough that it was hard to tell...it looked like OBP but it might also be an acro. I eventually got pictures of just the snare and it was OBP. But the set was in New Jersey and they didn't really want to ship it and they wouldn't consider selling the snare by itself (even though they would have made more money if they had). I bid the set up to $1600 but got beat and was almost relived that I lost as A: I really couldn't afford to spend that much at the time and B: I didn't figure they would pack any of it too well. In hindsight I should have bid a bit higher (there was only one other bidder) and then told them to ship me the snare and just keep the rest to sell to someone else. Several other near misses came and went until I talked a friend into selling me one of the THREE that he owned. Mine's the one on the bottom of the stack in the picture below.

and it finishes off this kit nicely...

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgSoig47PY"]Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl Ringo Starr Beatles Style Drum Kit walk-around - YouTube[/ame]

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Posted on 10 years ago
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Excellent story, K.O.!

I've seen your youtube video, too!

Drum roll, please! I found the pictures of the Jazz Festival! They are dated March of 2003. I'll post the snare drum first and then pictures with the sellers kit. The JF is a 1963!

Mark

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Posted on 10 years ago
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Here are 4 more of the JF with the seller's kit. He told me it was taken out of the box only for these pictures and then put back in the box. You should be able to tell that the shell is deeper than 5".

Mark

Posted on 10 years ago
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30 k snare with correct position of badge

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 10 years ago
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So with the ongoing OBP Ringo craze still in full bloom........anyone see a peak in sales and a decline in prices yet? When does everyone think this color will once again be rated with the lower cost JF's? If ever.......just curious. I'm a big Ringo fan but never really cared for the OBP finish enough to want one. Thermogloss is more my style there.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 10 years ago
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It would be tough trying to eyeball a 5 vs a 5 1/2 through pics. If it has ludwig heads instead of remos, that will give it a taller appearance. Ludwig heads have a smaller coller/head depth than remos.

Jason

Posted on 10 years ago
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And here is Ringo's actual snare from when it was on display with the "Ed Sullivan" set out in L.A. last year. I made the pilgrimage to see them.

Ringo had four OBP sets and the maple Hollywood set during the Beatles yet in EVERY picture of him playing he is using this particular snare. He did have one or two other OBP snares and yet he seems to have favored this one exclusively. Maybe it was due to the extra 1/2" of depth on the earliest one.

I wonder if Ringo actually wanted a matching snare when he bought that first OBP set in London or if the set he bought just happened to be so equipped and then he fell in love with the sound of that one snare. Imagine if his Downbeat set had come with the 4x14 downbeat model snare (like it was cataloged at the time) or if it had a Supra with it. A supra would have made life a bit easier for us Ringo drum fanatics.

Ringo says (on the Ludwig 100 anniversary DVD) that he saw the drums in the window at Drum City and had to have them. The previous version of the story (from the guy that sold the drums) was that Ringo saw an OBP color swatch sitting on the desk and said he wanted that color (and didn't really care what brand they were as long as they were that color). The date stamps on the inside of Ringo's first set are very close to the known date of delivery. This would suggest that the drums were rush ordered, built, and shipped to London quickly rather than having been in stock (which also doesn't fit with Ringo's version of the story unless it was a huge coincidence that a set that just arrived and was put into the window was snapped up right away by Ringo...although that is possible I suppose). Since the Beatles had yet to become very big it may have been that Ludwig rushed the order through to impress their brand new London distributor. If the drums were ordered that would also indicate that Ringo himself probably did chose to order the matching snare drum.

At this point it seems unlikely that we'll ever know the full story.

Also Ringo was never an official Ludwig endorser during the Beatles years. Ludwig was selling all the drums they could make (thanks to Ringo) as it was so there was no reason to set themselves up to possibly have to pay him for use of his name. If they had set up such a deal perhaps there would have been a factory "Ringo" kit sold including a matching Jazz fest...but there wasn't. '64 and later catalog Downbeat and Super Classic outfits didn't come with Jazz Festivals .

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From Eminent Destiny

It would be tough trying to eyeball a 5 vs a 5 1/2 through pics. If it has ludwig heads instead of remos, that will give it a taller appearance. Ludwig heads have a smaller coller/head depth than remos.Jason

The actual drum shell in question was measured at 5.5" while being prepared for display at the Grammy Museum last year.

But you're right, it would be hard to tell from pictures on an unknown drum offered up for sale on ebay or elsewhere.

Posted on 10 years ago
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