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Pair of old drums in less than perfect shape Last viewed: 7 minutes ago

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Hey Everybody!

I don't play drums.

I flip old stuff or use it to make new stuff.

So if the idea of helping out someone (with information) who isn't passionate about this stuff is offensive to you I understand and apologize but this is what I do.

So that being said I'm looking for information and advice about a pair of drums I picked up at an estate.

I have modest skills in restoration of wood and electronics and have had success fixing up old amplifiers and guitars and violins and reselling them. I've cleaned and put new heads on some old drums to resell but I have never painted or fixed up hardware.

The first is a Ludwig from around 1962-1964. I've figured out that much thanks to research and the Keystone Badge that has a serial number. The serial number is lower sequentially than the serial number given as an example on the badge in the reference site so I'm lucky there.

It doesn't seem to be in terrible shape. The hardware is showing some rust and corrosion, the wood all appears dry and clean with no cracking/flaking/separating. The paint however is chipping and peeling in a few places. This drum is approximately 10X14. It has a head that is pretty beat up but when you tap it there is still resonance and a medium deep sharp tone. The paint is black base with a yellow stripe around the center that looks to be an airbrush fade.

First question. I can imagine spending easily $50-60 to clean paint and re-hardware this thing.

Is that worth it? With an investment of $100 is this drum going to fetch a price more than $150?

The second drum is Drum Mate, which I now know is from "Star" which would later become Tama. It is in better shape than the ludwig and is approximately the same size. I wouldn't have to paint it but I would probably have to get new hardware and a new head. It has a decal that goes all the way around it which is basically a measurement scale of some kind. Looks like a tailors tape measure wrapped around the drum.

Any information on what that is about? Just curiosity. Would the Drum Mate be worthy of rehab? Being the fore runner to Tama I would imagine there is some value but if that information is still kind of obscure I would really have to educate in order to sell. And that takes more time.

The third option is that I keep my eyes peeled for a third vintage drum of similar size or slightly smaller and I drill some holes in them, bolt them together, run wiring and a driver and mount ring led's inside them and sell them a sculpture lamp.

Any information is much appreciated.

If you would like I'll grab some pictures and put them up so you can see the full condition.

Thanks!

Butterbone!

Posted on 11 years ago
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Since I read this at the top of these forums I figured I would add it in case anyone wants to snag these drums for themselves.

This is what we all deserve to know prior to any transaction taking place.

1. What you generally have for sale.

I have a 60's ludwig and a 60-70's Drum Mate. I also have 5 assorted 20 strand snare wires for 14" and 15" drums. Adam Duplex and 2 no name.

Remo weatherking heads. 2-3 of them 12-16".

Adam heads clear and black 4 of them 10-15"

I'd have to double check all that for accuracy because I've only given a rough once over for the drum parts.

I have large ziplock bags FULL of drum parts. Screws and connectors and rods and the "feet" or "cleets" that the rods connect to. I have no idea about brands or ages on that stuff. They are just loose bags full of drum parts.

2. How fast you ship.

I ship within 24 hours of payment notification.

3. The types of payment you take.

Paypal. That's it.

4. Your eBay user ID (If Available) so we can check your feedback record.

My ebay username is Spank-Ula

5. A Web Site URL (if you have one)

Don't have one.

Posted on 11 years ago
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Edit update - the Ludwig could fetch $100 but leave as is. The duco finishes are tricky. Do not touch them up. Leave it up to the new owner. You sure it's 14x10" and not 12x8? Looks like a club date to me.

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Posted on 11 years ago
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The old adage applies here: "If there are no pictures, the stuff does not exist".

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 11 years ago
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Yeah I get it.

"Pics or it didn't happen" lol

Posted on 11 years ago
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I can measure them both again.

Doing some more reading I learned that most drum measurements are given as depth first diameter second in which case these would be 14x10.

But...I'll measure again just to be sure.

OK I looked up Duco finish. It would appear this ludwig was made between March 19'th and August 30'th of 1966.

And what is a club date???

I'm just trying to determine if the drums are worth more than the lamp would be. I estimate that after I am done the lamp sculpture will sell for about $350 but my profit will only be about $150-175.

Posted on 11 years ago
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It is sad to me when vintage drums or vintage instruments for that matter are ruined to make lamps etc . Having grown up with an antique dealer mother and being a collector myself . I have seen many vintage items ruined to make things like this for a few bucks .

Warning ... Avoid member statuscymbal here, vintage_collector on DFO , and americanpatriot10 on eBay. Email me for his name. All are the same shady guy who has burned me and a list of other members on both boards . He is also selling on Facebook too ..
Posted on 11 years ago
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We need a pic of the mount on the Ludwig. We don't care about the heads on the drums. We need good side shots of the badge and any mounts or moving hardware on the drum.

If you can make a lamp out of those two drums and get $350 for them hmmmmmm. I would be buying up all the under $100 dollar MIJ kits on CL and make some money.

Posted on 11 years ago
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If the Ludwig has clear or non painted interiors and measuers 13" tall by 9" wide I will buy it off you. Let me know.

Manny

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Posted on 11 years ago
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Well the "stuff" has to be authentic. That is where much of the value is.

I'll clean these up, probably cut the depth in half, or just behind the cleets. Cut and glue in shoes to mount a reflective batton back to which the LED bulbs will be mounting so that the owner doesn't have to undo the drum lugs to change a bulb. Add a third drum and mount them on top of each other cantelevered with the largest on bottom and the middle offset.

Buy or make new heads for the front that give the right amount of light pass through. And then mount all of that on a finished hardwood base.

If you just hot glue together 3 chinese drums and shove a lightbulb inside it then you should probably be able to sell it for $30.

As far as destroying vintage items...well...these drums were rotting in a shed. I'm not convinced they can be saved as drums. But since the badges are still visible then they can at least be sold as authentic period pieces of mass manufacturing.

It's not a Picasso. It's a mass produced product that just barely survived long enough to be re-purposed. I think it's great that it hasn't ended up in a landfill.

I appreciate all the information.

I think that taking the time to find the right buyer for the vintage drum is going to be longer and more tedious than finding someone who will appreciate a cleverly composed lighting accent with a musical theme.

Posted on 11 years ago
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