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Just what is the problem with Rogers Big 'R' drums?

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From The Ploughman

XP8 kit I bought last year for 200.00, five piece, silver metallic...just like the set dexter posted....wrap looked a bit hammered. Hardware on the other hand, looked good. Took them apart, spent about 8 total hours with my air polisher and some polishing compound, and those drums looked fantastic. Hoops on the BD were shot, replaced those. Gave the hardware a good overnight Dawn bath, and it all come out looking very clean, minimal pitting.Now, this set was from 1983. These drums had been played, often. And not overly cared for. Amazing thing was... being a one owner set, there was only ONE set screw mark on each of the tom ratchet arms that fit into the double tom mount. This set was purchased in 1983, I got it in 2011. That is almost 30 years. Show me a Ludwig, Pearl, Tama, Brand X, Y or Z kit at 30 years that gave someone that much satisfaction. Rogers Memrilock hardware does not bend, break, disappoint, fail, limit your ability to position or look weak. I never have to adjust my mounts. I never have to worry if its going to be in the same position as the last time, or if its going to move no matter how hard it gets played. It is bullet proof. Some people don't like it, some think it is ugly, some absolutely hate it just because it isn't Swivomatic. But in 1975, you could not buy anything nearly that good, and in 1984, you still could not buy anything better. It was copied by Pearl, Ludwig, and a few others.

We get it, you like Rogers drums, but not all of us have your passion for Rogers, especially the Big R years.

I had a silver metallic Big R kit that sounded good, but I recently bought an 80's Tama Swingstar in a similar finish and guess what? They sound as good if not better than the Rogers. The double tom mount is easier to adjust than that big bulky monstrosity on the Rogers kit and the kick legs are less, uhh, noticeable.:D

Posted on 11 years ago
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I love mine. Some of you know the kit I wrapped in KOA veneer. These drums sound amazing and are solid as a rock. They do not move while playing and have the best memriloc system of all. I do agree with the ugly badge, thats why I choose to install script badges instead of the bir r foil ones. SOme people may frown on that but heck, they are my drums.


Thank you!
Jeff C

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Posted on 11 years ago
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The sound quality of a set of XP8s is probably up there along with Camco , RK's or 3Ply Ludwigs . Theyre easy to tune, easy to carry around...They might not be that cute but Id say in the future the will be seen as the drums we should have bought while they were this cheap...Just in case: Im looking for a XP8 Platinum wrap 16x16 if someone has one to sell or trade...

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Posted on 11 years ago
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From johnnyringo

We get it, you like Rogers drums, but not all of us have your passion for Rogers, especially the Big R years. I had a silver metallic Big R kit that sounded good, but I recently bought an 80's Tama Swingstar in a similar finish and guess what? They sound as good if not better than the Rogers. The double tom mount is easier to adjust than that big bulky monstrosity on the Rogers kit and the kick legs are less, uhh, noticeable.:D

Now that was a monstrosity of a mount and those shells are so thick they could be classified as bullet resistant. Those spurs look like anorexic legs on a fat lady. Although in all fairness Mapex had the ugliest double tom post ever. Even uglier than Tama.

Now this..... I dunno, I have always liked it.

[IMG]http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu169/ThePloughman/Rogers%20Drums/Rogers%201983%20XP8%20Ebony/th_April272008006.jpg[/IMG]

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 11 years ago
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Okay, I'm beginning to think Big R's are the biggest sleepers out there. It's been a few years since I was driving one, it wasn't mine, but as I said previously, I was impressed.

The guy who owned 'em had 'em tuned way down low... he was going for the 70's thump =vs= anything melodic. I asked, and he gave me the okay to retune 'em. Wow, easy peasy with lots of sweet spots, even on the kind of worn heads the owner had on 'em.

I have no idea what version they were, five or eight ply, but wow. I really was impressed... and did absolutely nothing about finding out anything about them.

Maybe it's time to find a set and see what's up. (Like I need more drums! lol)

As far as the hardware being big and clunky... I'm kinda clunky myself. I also remember, and own drums, with the light weight hardware that drives me nuts. Give me big clunky hardware anytime. I hate chasing drums across the stage.

Thanks to all of you folks for the very informative replies so far!

fishwaltz
Posted on 11 years ago
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[QUOTE=The Ploughman;276236]Now that was a monstrosity of a mount and those shells are so thick they could be classified as bullet resistant. Those spurs look like anorexic legs on a fat lady. Although in all fairness Mapex had the ugliest double tom post ever. Even uglier than Tama.

Now this..... I dunno, I have always liked it.

[IMG]http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu169/ThePloughman/Rogers%20Drums/Rogers%201983%20XP8%20Ebony/th_April272008006.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE

I prefer the Tama....

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Posted on 11 years ago
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I kinda agree with the tubes on the Big R kits and badges being ugly but the tom holders themselves are really beautiful. The chrome on my XP-8 Hardware looks better then any kit I have and I absolutely love how the holders have that chromed out Big R riding on top. I actually think if they made the tube legs all chrome and the tom arms and post chrome it would have looked insanely good. Versus that dull grey futon tubing.

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1964 Ludwig Downbeat Kit Champagne Sparkle
1964 Ludwig Jazz Combo Kit Gold Sparkle
1964 Gretsch Jazz Progressive Jazz Progressive Kit
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1971 Slingerland 13,16,22 in Black Sparkle
1979 Rogers XP-8 Super Londoner Tobacco Sunburst
1982 Rogers XP-8 Black Londoner
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Posted on 11 years ago
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I agree if they had chromed the tubes and post, it would have looked better. After looking at the Tama mount Johnny posted, I still like the Rogers mount better. I like my toms close together so I have my tubes all the way inside the toms so you really only see the mount and I don't think it is big or clunky at all.

Better than my Sonor Tom post and mounts which are clunky to me. I like the vintage Ludwig mounts. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I personally have never cared for Pearl or Tama. I do like the Tama low four legged double floor tom stand I use with my rims mounted 16" and 15" concert toms.

Posted on 11 years ago
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I think that the most undervalued sleepers for Rogers are the very early transition period Rogers drum with script logos, 9/72 internal tags, and Swivomatic hardware. I almost popped for a Koa set of these earlier this week. But, instead, I got the Fibes Red Fivel set. The Big R drums made in the USA were very good drums. The big issue is the difference of opinion between drummers who prefer Swivomatic hardware and those who prefer Rogers introducing the drum world to plumbing pipes as drum hardware. Guess which camp I'm in.

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 11 years ago
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So..... anyone wanna buy a Big R w/ some wrap issues??? ; )

http://s805.photobucket.com/user/drumgeek74/slideshow/big%20R

Posted on 11 years ago
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