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1918-1941 Ludwig Metal Snare with P-338 Strainer Dating Based On Catalogues. Last viewed: 3 hours ago

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Woah-Thats a nice one VM! Thanks for the pics!

-Adam

Posted on 14 years ago
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From vintagemore2000

510. Farnes and all others that have contributed to this thread, we are Indeed Grateful. this is to my knowledge the only source that is trying to compile this Information on the earliest Ludwig metal shelled and wood shelled drums and especially the P338 strainer equipped drums. here are a few pics.these are off the 5x14 all metal ten lug 1927-28 model

vintagemore2000 - Thanks! I’ve been hoping you would jump in here on this thread!

I have limited our scope here on this thread to the Metal Shell with P338 strainers (not wooden shell) because this thread could get very large with just the metal shelled examples.

Cool1

“In fact your pedal extremities are a bit obnoxious”. – Fats Waller
Posted on 14 years ago
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510, thank you, yeah sorry didn't mean to expand the thread, It still is a service we owe you, No one else has put this much time Into it as you and others have!!Yes SirCool1Clapping Happy2D' Drummer

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
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From vintagemore2000

510. Farnes and all others that have contributed to this thread, we are Indeed Grateful. this is to my knowledge the only source that is trying to compile this Information on the earliest Ludwig metal shelled and wood shelled drums and especially the P338 strainer equipped drums. here are a few pics.these are off the 5x14 all metal ten lug 1927-28 model

vintagemore2000 - Don’t forget that the “All Metal” model is depicted with the new strainer (not P338) in the Jan. & Feb. 1928 catalogues, so your snare may be better dated as 26-27 and what I’ve been referring to in this thread as “Style #4”. These were only depicted for two years and would be the 2nd rarest style based on the catalogues.

Cool1

“In fact your pedal extremities are a bit obnoxious”. – Fats Waller
Posted on 14 years ago
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Just an FYI.....the p-338 strainer is still being used in modified form on the current USA made piccolo snare drums......now if that isn't reliability/longevity, I don't know what is.....

Posted on 14 years ago
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From 510

vintagemore2000 - Don’t forget that the “All Metal” model is depicted with the new strainer (not P338) in the Jan. & Feb. 1928 catalogues, so your snare may be better dated as 26-27 and what I’ve been referring to in this thread as “Style #4”. These were only depicted for two years and would be the 2nd rarest style based on the catalogues.Cool1

Thanks 510,, No I didn't know that!!Cool1

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
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From Ludwig-dude

Just an FYI.....the p-338 strainer is still being used in modified form on the current USA made piccolo snare drums......now if that isn't reliability/longevity, I don't know what is.....

Thank you!!! And NOT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, Please understand! this thread should focus on the accumulation of examples of the catalogue matches I have mentioned here. I’m afraid this could start a shift in the emphasis of this study. I do understand and appreciate the development of the newer strainers you mention but there are other threads to discuss the evolution of the P338 style strainers. Thanks again!

Cool1

“In fact your pedal extremities are a bit obnoxious”. – Fats Waller
Posted on 14 years ago
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From vintagemore2000

Thanks 510,, No I didn't know that!!Cool1

vintagemore2000 - It could have been a Special Order from 1924 until the 10 lug 14 inch became the standard also! That would probably make it even rarer! 15 inchers were offered with 10 lugs earlier than this.

:)

“In fact your pedal extremities are a bit obnoxious”. – Fats Waller
Posted on 14 years ago
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510, thank you again, more things I Didn't know,, man these ole Ludwig's are true historical artifacts aren't they!

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
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The "dance" model in 14" x 4" from 1918/1919. All parts are original except the tension rods at the reso-side and the raw satin finish (sandpaper with 600k/800k & polished). As you can see, the tube lugs and the strainer is in nickel over brass and a little bit original ludwigold over nob finish.

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