Mike, thanks I was going by the Tension rods and the hole pattern myself I knew it was conn or ludwig, this will be a big help to Dirk.

Hey thanks again guys that's very useful info, I don't think I want to go the route of filling the holes at this point.

Yeah I'll have to think if it's worth trying to restore it or not myself.

Now Mike, when you say L&L is that another company or is it Ludwig & Leedy?

Everyone here has been a wonderful source of info, and I truly appreciate it.

Thanks,

Dirk

Dirk. The LL that mike is referring to is ludwig ludwig. your drum is from when ludwig had been bought from Mr Ludwig Conn bought them out. here's a link to help with the history lesson. http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/ludwig_drumsets_1935.html and http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/ludwig_snaredrums/1927_cover.jpg

Check my older post where I break down the 20s & 30s Ludwig “All Metal” snares with P338 strainers. Pay close attention to the Pioneer model and its evolution. I’m thinking the model logo would be on the top hoop (Pioneer or Universal) but I didn’t do any leg work on this drum so go to the link below and break it down for yourself.

Here’s the link:

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=12924

:)

I meant Ludwig & Ludwig but it could be the C. G. Conn era (1929-) also...

Mike Curotto

You guys are blowing my mind with all the info, thanks everyone.

Yeah I started looking through all those catalogs looking for similarities.

And 510 that will give a bit a reading, wow what a cool thread that is.

OK here's an update, all the reading has got me really looking over the rims and drum.

The rim has some minor rust in spots and I missed it completely.

I found on the top rim:

Leedy Elkhart Ind.

So my assumption is that either they were replacement rims or it's a Leedy.

Time to look into that world now.

Update2 Now after looking around I can assume that this drum was made after '29 and the move to Elkhart, and I would also guess that since they were all in the same building it still could be Ludwig or Leedy correct?

Thanks again,

Dirk

I guess this then leads me to the question, how do I determine if the rim is a Leedy and drum is Ludwig, or perhaps the drum is also Leedy? The pictures of Leedy's so far aren't helping much. From what I see so far I don't see any black Leedy's especially with the old style lugs and clamps.

Now that they are both made in the same place after 29 I assume it would be possible for either company to use the same hardware correct?

Thanks,

Dirk

Dirk Diggler - Keep in mind that most of the factory drilled holes for the strainer and vent and such would likely be centered in the panel between the lugs (from left to right). Yours does seem to have had a four hole strainer attached originally.

I wouldn’t disregard evidence in favor of speculation. Conn/Leedy is the strongest case for me right now.

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@ 510, indeed I had assumed that it originally had a 4 hole strainer, it's easy to line them up. Now what the other 3 holes were configured and sharing the one hole well that just seems odd. But I'm sure over the years folks have "creatively" made it a usable drum.

Yeah I was so happy I was able to look through the rust and actually see that logo. I thought I had looked the whole drum over quite well, but some articles and posts helped me know where to look.

I'm getting more confident in the Conn Leedy conclusion.

Thanks again,

Dirk