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Maybe I am thinking this through too much. I am getting ready to pull the trigger on a 70's "supposed matching" four piece drum set (with cheap Yamaha snare). The finish appears to be either Mahogany or Walnut cortex. What is baffling me is the interior of the drums and how they correlate with the badges and the timeline histories that can be accessed on the great worldwide web. The badges are as follows.

Kick - 1515866

12 Tom - 2174673

13 Tom - 1510311

16 Tom - 1519460

The time lines that I have read all put these drums in the late 70's time frame. The corresponding shell construction should then be the 6 ply maple/poplar shells without re-enforcement rings. These all have the maple interiors with re-enforcement rings. If these drums were in fact made in 77 or 78 and they used existing new old stock shells, wouldn't they at least have the granitone interiors? Also, all drums have the pointy badges with the exception of the 12 inch tom. Please see the attached pics and let me know what you think.

Posted on 10 years ago
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This throws more intrigue into this puzzle. See the bass drum leg in the picture below. I am starting to think that these are a mixed bags of Ludwig drums re-covered in this wrap with newer badges put on. The bass drum leg show here was last used in the late 60''s as far as I can find.

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Posted on 10 years ago
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I think unless you're concerned with pedigree, and as long as you like the finish, and the price is right, you should go for it. I say this because to me, Ludwig 3-ply shells with rings are always golden!

Hope I didn't miss the point...

Mitch

Posted on 10 years ago
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From DownTownFarmer

I think unless you're concerned with pedigree, and as long as you like the finish, and the price is right, you should go for it. I say this because to me, Ludwig 3-ply shells with rings are always golden!Hope I didn't miss the point...Mitch

I don't know if I am concerned with pedigree as much as making sure that I am actually buying a Ludwig kit. I'm only going off a couple of pics and since the guy says they are all original I am starting to question some things. You know what I mean. If it smells like a skunk, it probably is a skunk.

Posted on 10 years ago
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I can address a few of your concerns.

1. I have seen both clear and Granitone interior finish in the 151XXXX serial number range, so the clear interiors could very well be factory. Three ply shells are typical for drums in that serial number range as well.

2. The much higher serial number and the different style badge on the 8x12 tom (or at least the badge that is on it) suggest that it may have been made several years later than the other drums. However, that serial number would be very much on the high side for a three ply shell.

3. I would suggest that the three drums with the lower serial numbers are from a little earlier than you have concluded.

Therefore, the head scratcher part of this set is the 8x12 tom.

Rick

Collecting information about the following for ongoing research projects:
Gretsch drums with serial numbers,
Ludwig Keystone and B/O badge drums with serial numbers and date stamps,
Ludwig Standards from 1968-73, and
Ludwigs with paper labels from 1971-72
www.GretschDrumDatingGuide.com
Posted on 10 years ago
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From KCDrumDad

I can address a few of your concerns.1. I have seen both clear and Granitone interior finish in the 151XXXX serial number range, so the clear interiors could very well be factory. Three ply shells are typical for drums in that serial number range as well. 2. The much higher serial number and the different style badge on the 8x12 tom (or at least the badge that is on it) suggest that it may have been made several years later than the other drums. However, that serial number would be very much on the high side for a three ply shell. 3. I would suggest that the three drums with the lower serial numbers are from a little earlier than you have concluded.Therefore, the head scratcher part of this set is the 8x12 tom.Rick

That's awesome. Thanks. One of the bass drum legs has a period matching leg that recesses into the bass drum, the other has a different style leg mount that appears to be from the 60's. It could very well be that I am being overly pessimistic. He is asking $500 for the drums including an almost matching Yamaha Stage Custom snare drum.

Posted on 10 years ago
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Not sure about that wrap. It certainly isn't butcher which was very light.

Also if the Yamaha snare has same wrap than I'm leaning towards these are all rewraps...? No stage custom ever has a wrap looking anything like that as far as I know..

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Posted on 10 years ago
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From larryz

Not sure about that wrap. It certainly isn't butcher which was very light.Also if the Yamaha snare has same wrap than I'm leaning towards these are all rewraps...? No stage custom ever has a wrap looking anything like that as far as I know..

Here is a pic of the snare drum

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Posted on 10 years ago
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Here is a pic of the snare drum

Hm. I may be wrong but I've never seen a stage custom that dark. Could be an early model. The saga continues..

The greatest gift you can give your family and the world is a healthy you. - Joyce Meyer
Posted on 10 years ago
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From larryz

Hm. I may be wrong but I've never seen a stage custom that dark. Could be an early model. The saga continues..

I did just find this late 90's yamaha stage custom with chestnut stain that could be a match.

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