Not sure if any of you remember the rockers i had a while back that belong to my nephew.....any way..they are the Taiwan rockers. Im curious to how they are able to carry the Ludwig name, same with all the other Taiwan made kits that have Ludwig on them. Is there a Ludwig factory in taiwan? Or does Ludwig have some kind of agreement with a drum company in Taiwan? Just kinda curious. Thanks.
One other question....would any of these kits ever be considered vintage?
Hi, Robyn,
Those are some very interesting questions. I'd like to know more on this subject myself.
Last year while in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, I stumbled into a little music shop which was offering some Ludwigs for sale. I think they were labelled "Accent". I may be wrong. The labels were cheap stick-ons proclaiming they were made in China. They sounded a bit tinny but, to be fair, they weren't tuned very well.
There are some good enough drums out there that are made in Taiwan. I'm sure as you know, so much depends on proper heads and tuning. As to ever becoming vintage, I'm sure there will be members who will debate the issue forever.
This should be interesting, Robyn. Thanks for posting.
Brian
No Ludwig doesn't have an off shore factory They are made by an ROC factory that makes most of the industries cheaper drum kits Ludwig has a licensing agreement with them and places their name on the drums.
Hi, Robyn, Those are some very interesting questions. I'd like to know more on this subject myself. Last year while in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, I stumbled into a little music shop which was offering some Ludwigs for sale. I think they were labelled "Accent". I may be wrong. The labels were cheap stick-ons proclaiming they were made in China. They sounded a bit tinny but, to be fair, they weren't tuned very well. There are some good enough drums out there that are made in Taiwan. I'm sure as you know, so much depends on proper heads and tuning. As to ever becoming vintage, I'm sure there will be members who will debate the issue forever. This should be interesting, Robyn. Thanks for posting. Brian
Hi Brian, thanks for your reply. The drums you mention were probly "accents" which as you know, are an entry-level drum kit and yes, it does take proper heads n tuning to get a good sound, lots of muffleing, but they can sound good. They are a very good kit for a beginner or even a practice room but not sure that i would gig with them.
I too, thought this was an interesting subject and have wondered bout it alot. Myself, i want to think that later down the road when my litl grandsons are grown adults with grandchildrenof their own , these kits will be vintage. They may not be sought after or of any collectors value, but they will be vintage. Vintage basically means, "of age" right?
No Ludwig doesn't have an off shore factory They are made by an ROC factory that makes most of the industries cheaper drum kits Ludwig has a licensing agreement with them and places their name on the drums.
Thanks vintagemore. I didnt think Ludwig had an over seas factor, but what do i know anyway, ha ha. So in other words, the ROC factory pays Ludwig for the use of their name? I was just really curious coz the Ludwig website list these drums for sale. In a way i just thought that to be odd.
I'm pretty sure,Ludwig contracts with an overseas drum maker,to have say xxxx amount of kits built,,with the Ludwig name on them,and then just pays that manufacturer for the drums outright,and just imports them.I'm not sure if there's a licenceing agreement like there was with Rogers ,Ajax, or Boosey & Hawks to produce English Rogers in the UK in the 60's.Those companies ,produced Drums with the Rogers name on them,and sold them in the UK.Those drums weren't imported to the US,and Rogers just made their own drum in the US
Yamaha also Produced drums with the Rogers name,but Rogers imported them to the US,and they appeared in the Rogers catalog.Just as Assents,Epic,Club Dates ect,appear in the online Ludwig catalog.Not US made by Ludwig,but Ludwig branded,and imported.
The same kind of thing happened in the 60's 70,when Hoshino/Star/Tama and Pearl were making thousands of drums.If your order was large enough,you could brand your own line of drums,with your badge,that were imported,and made in Japan.There are possibly over a hundred different MIJ brands,all made by just two companies.
Confusing.....you bet it is.:2Cents:
Steve B
I'm pretty sure,Ludwig contracts with an overseas drum maker,to have say xxxx amount of kits built,,with the Ludwig name on them,and then just pays that manufacturer for the drums outright,and just imports them.I'm not sure if there's a licenceing agreement like there was with Rogers ,Ajax, or Boosey & Hawks to produce English Rogers in the UK in the 60's.Those companies ,produced Drums with the Rogers name on them,and sold them in the UK.Those drums weren't imported to the US,and Rogers just made their own drum in the USYamaha also Produced drums with the Rogers name,but Rogers imported them to the US,and they appeared in the Rogers catalog.Just as Assents,Epic,Club Dates ect,appear in the online Ludwig catalog.Not US made by Ludwig,but Ludwig branded,and imported.The same kind of thing happened in the 60's 70,when Hoshino/Star/Tama and Pearl were making thousands of drums.If your order was large enough,you could brand your own line of drums,with your badge,that were imported,and made in Japan.There are possibly over a hundred different MIJ brands,all made by just two companies.Confusing.....you bet it is.:2Cents:Steve B
Steve your correct, Ludwig license agreement is only for the drums contractly built not their Name. ludwig has them badged and built off shore. they arrive at the charlotte plant boxed and ready to ship.
We have 2 Ludwig Accent kits. 1 set is 9 years old and full size which is our Daughters. The stickers on those all say Made in Taiwan. 2nd set is 3 years old, Jr sizes and is our Grandsons. Stickers on all those are Made in China. To be honest they all look identical shell wise although some hardware differs. For entry level budget kits they sound pretty good.
Ok i get it now. Thanks guys, i appreciate your explanations. Makes sense.
I agree, these kits are pretty nice drums, with a good tuning and heads they sound pretty good. Im not too proud to have fun with them.
> Im not too proud to have fun with them.
After playing your 60's Luddy kit and the Camco kit (when it gets set-up) it won't be the same sitting down behind an Accent kit. The difference in sound is like night and day.
You may not be too proud now, but as Yoda told Luke... 'You will be! You will be!' :p
John
