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hi guys, i'm wanting to get a different ride but not sure what to look for. the ride i have now is a zildjian A custom 20" (not sure of the weight). it has a 1 1/2 in crack at the edge, which i was thinking of cutting down but not sure how to do or even if i would be pleased with after cutting down (any advise on that would be great too). when i first got it i thought i would be pleased with it but the more i play it the less i like. it goes way out of control unless i stay on or near the bell. i want something that is more controllable and less washy (if that is the right term to use) with a nice mellow sound. just wondering if you guys could suggest a few cymbals to look at without spending hours trying every ride there is at the store. i think i want to stay with 20" and have even thought of trying a 18" but not sure what to do. has anyone ever had a 18" and what are they like? i'd like to stay with zildjian but have also concidered sabian. would also like to stay within the 100$ range so will most likely be looking at a used cymbal.

thanks for your advise in advance, it will be very appreciated and taken serious. thanks guys.

Stay Wiggly,
Robyn
Posted on 12 years ago
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Consider this. Read up on it, as I have noticed that there is alot of praise for this cymbal on here (Zildjian AMIR Ride 20in first gen.)

http://decatur.craigslist.org/msg/3715186384.html

John

I had a great day! Instead of sleeping in and wasting the day, I got up at 8 and I had all my slacking done by noon!

2Timothy1:7
Posted on 12 years ago
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hi john, is this your cymbal and what can you tell me bout it? i'm searching them now, thanks

Stay Wiggly,
Robyn
Posted on 12 years ago
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just watched/listen to a cup'l vids of this cymbal. i think i like. also came across a 18" amir, would really like to hear what it would sound like.

Stay Wiggly,
Robyn
Posted on 12 years ago
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A nice classic 20" A Zildjian ride should be right in that budget. I always see a lot of them for sale right around $100. I got one from John V here. It's a little on the heavy side with nice cutting bell. Was exactly what I was looking for. I started looking for a old Rock 21 ride like I used to have. John suggested I try this one and it's a great ride for me. Perfect match. You might like one a little less heavy per your taste and needs. Or even a nice 18". I find the old A series Zildjians from 70's and 80's are pretty affordable and overall great sounding cymbals. Some of the newer A's I've tried don't sound as nice. The Armond series cymbals are pretty nice and seem much like the older A series. I'm sort of looking for a 18 and 16 thin crashes myself. Good luck and have fun!

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 12 years ago
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From Drummerjohn333

Consider this. Read up on it, as I have noticed that there is alot of praise for this cymbal on here (Zildjian AMIR Ride 20in first gen.) http://decatur.craigslist.org/msg/3715186384.htmlJohn

Actually I think that cymbal in the CL post is not a first generation but later model.

Its better to have people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and prove them wrong, unless you doubt yourself then speak away....
Posted on 12 years ago
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Robyn - The sticks you're using, specifically the size and shape of the bead is going to have a profound effect on how the cymbal sounds/responds. You really need to play and hear a cymbal 'live' using your own sticks in order to know how they are really going to sound when you play them. Your cracked cymbal may sound fine with a set of 7A's but sound like 'all-wash' if played with heavier sticks. It really is a matter of hearing how they'll sound with your particular sticks. Choosing and finding the right cymbals is not an easy task. Some drummers take years finding and assembling the perfect set of pies. May as well just settle down and have fun looking!

John

Too many great drums to list here!

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Posted on 12 years ago
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No personal experience with these cymbals but I have read some pretty nice reviews on the Dream Bliss line... they are in the right price range... could be worth a look.

Not a Guru... just interested..
Posted on 12 years ago
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Not sure I'm helping, here.

But at a recent get together, I used my Paiste 20" 505 crash/ride instead of my 80's Z Rock 21. We did some Hendrix, Robin Trower, Wes M, Miles and Kenny Burrell and a few other 60's jazz pieces. I have found new love, in this cymbal. I've had it since new in 1980 and had never used it as a main ride. It sounded great and not too washy (which is really and operator issue). Only downfall, quiet bell. Still, very versatile as a ride.

Back to the show.

B

Vintage Drum Fan (Not a Guru)
Posted on 12 years ago
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I can second that - on the value of those 505 rides - no matter what weight. The Mediums have more wash but not too much. The "Ride" or "Heavy Ride" is going to sound quite dry - and all of these are bright, very bright.

That AMIR is not mine - I just did a local search in your area there and thought that would be GREAT, especially for only $4!0! I know it is quite a ways out there, but worth the gas money and time if you end up liking it alot. Meanwhile, do some more searching in that area and you may be able to pick some more stuff up on the same trip - especially flip deals. It's always wise to make the best use of your trips.

As far as I know (have learned) the all caps AMIR is the first generation, the small letter amir is the 2nd generation, then the Amir2s are an altogether different cymbal that is not as good, probably even a different composition. If I am wrong, indeed please show me some research/proof so I can see that too. Whatever generation of Amir that ride is - it is NOT an Amir2 and therefore it is going to sound great, especially for $40.

That said, if you are looking for something particularly mellow, FFR has it nailed, that classic Zildjian 20 inch A will be great and will run right about that $100. Personally my preferred weight is 2500 grams, as I flipped one of those once, only to regret selling it to this day. Now I have no B20 rides, despite some nice others (505s, MIJs).

John

I had a great day! Instead of sleeping in and wasting the day, I got up at 8 and I had all my slacking done by noon!

2Timothy1:7
Posted on 12 years ago
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