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3-ply Ludwigs vs yamaha MCA in modern studio recording Last viewed: 6 minutes ago

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Hi guys

Knowing I'll buy a 3-ply ludwig kit and need to go in studio in couple of weeks, I was wondering what your experience is in the studio with this kits.

I'm going to record sing' 'n songwriter/acoustic pop kind of song...

And will have the choise, Ludwig 3-ply: 22,13,16 or Yamaha MCA 20,12,14

What is your experience with that? Old ludwigs for modern recordings or should I go with the yamaha?

Thanks a lot

Posted on 13 years ago
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Can't go wrong with either of those kits, provided they are tuned and played well. :)

...it's more of a size issue: do you want the "bigger" sound of the 13/16/22, or the "focused" sound of the 12/14/20.

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Posted on 13 years ago
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It's really a combination,...Proper tuning, heads, mics and mic placement. If you have access to both, why not try 'em all and see which indiviual drums sound best. Oh, pretty tough to pass on the Ludwig thud imho.

Posted on 13 years ago
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It's really a combination,...Proper tuning, heads, mics and mic placement. If you have access to both, why not try 'em all and see which indiviual drums sound best. Oh, pretty tough to pass on the Ludwig thud imho.

Well, I'm going in a very good top level studio. The mics and placement and stuff will be no problem. Tuning no problem. Heads.....the Ludwig has G1....I've always used ambassador or other remo stuff...never G1, but don't know if I should invest money again in new heads....

Posted on 13 years ago
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It's really a combination,...Proper tuning, heads, mics and mic placement. If you have access to both, why not try 'em all and see which indiviual drums sound best. Oh, pretty tough to pass on the Ludwig thud imho.

+1 For recording, it's all about finding the right sounding drums. You should try them all and in different combinations. I'll bet if you take both kits into the studio, you'll end up recording with a mongrel kit composed of the best sounding drums from each kit. Get the sound you want, doesn't matter which kit/individual drums give it to you. Pick the best from the litter.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

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Posted on 13 years ago
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From Purdie Shuffle

+1 For recording, it's all about finding the right sounding drums. You should try them all and in different combinations. I'll bet if you take both kits into the studio, you'll end up recording with a mongrel kit composed of the best sounding drums from each kit. Get the sound you want, doesn't matter which kit/individual drums give it to you. Pick the best from the litter.John

Not bad idea. Maybe Ludwig Bassdrum with Yamaha toms....could work, could work!!

Posted on 13 years ago
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You wouldn't happen to be, Ilya Kuryakin, Russian-born secret agent for U.N.C.L.E. would you? lol

Welcome to the forums!

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 13 years ago
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G1 are Evans' equivalent of Ambassadors and sound very nice indeed.

Even under the "sing/songwriter" banner, there is room for interpretation in the textures of songs.

You really could flip a coin and get something great, but I'm of the opinion that you could effectively mix and match toms and bass drums and get the sound you're looking for. I have often done this, though I usually switch snares for the easiest sonic facelift track to track.

You could even mike one kick, place the other one close to it as a woofer and mike THAT drum, too. That is another thing I have had success with.

The worst case scenario is that you have 2 great kits to record with. I have a 22" MCA kick that sounds huge on tape(yes, tape). It's simply great to have choices....best of luck!

Dan

Posted on 13 years ago
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From Purdie Shuffle

You wouldn't happen to be, Ilya Kuryakin, Russian-born secret agent for U.N.C.L.E. would you? lolWelcome to the forums!John

Yes I am! !

Posted on 13 years ago
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I have recorded with both for different things. As was said previously, either one will do the job. Do you already have the songs you will be tracking? If you do then try playing some ideas on both kits. I would say go with the Ludwigs only because it's really cool to record with them and how many opportunities does one get to track with them? I know my Ludwigs are probably my best overall sounding kit but I have vintage emperors on mine. They are nice if you end up upgrading heads again but I really like the 1 ply coated heads. I just got the 2 ply because I hit hard. Good luck and let us know how it turns out and maybe you can post a link to some soundfiles or a video of you tracking.

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Posted on 13 years ago
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