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What Do You Do To Maintain 'Good Hands'?

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From tnsquint

That us funny!Unfortunately, I am not keeping my hands up these days. When I did, it was a similar process to what Purdie described. I also used Joe Morello's single, double, paradiddle exercise, but us added a section of inverted double strokes because that made it more fun for me. One thing I would do to strengthen my finger control was a little silly thing I made up to demonstrate using finger control to young kids. I would hold the sticks with my fulcrum near the tips with my forearm near vertical. The stick then hangs down parallel to my forearm with the butt of the stick near my elbow. (I know, it's weird) In this position, the only reasonable way to propel the stick is with your fingers. You would be playing the underside of your forearm at this point. For young students, it was a demonstration to understand basic finger control for matched grip. There may be some guys on this forum that have never really developed any finger control and this MIGHT be a helpful way to start. It becomes pretty clear pretty fast.

It takes a combination of techniques to get good stick control. It's never just any one thing. I mentioned Moeller earlier and when I use finger technique I am also using a modified Moeller Whip motion, it's what allows me to control the sticks. Wrists, fingers, hands, arms all come into play. The real trick is knowing which technique to apply and when. But you need to know them all.

To the guys having trouble breaking the speed barrier... learn and practice the finger technique. It -will- help. Here is a little clip demonstrating the Moeller Whip motion. I'm hoping this stuff is helping out a few of you guys. It really helped me when I learned it.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFZfOLbnBwI[/ame]

*PS - Dave Weckl used intentionally! ;) After Dave's lesson plays, click on the Jim Chapin video!

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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From Purdie Shuffle

Watch Buddy Rich or Joe Morello when they are playing lightning fast single stroke rolls. Their hands are barely moving! But the fingers... the fingers are flying! Study the great ones, they give up all their secrets if you watch them carefully enough.Watch this clip:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfibLdZmMngRemember: speed = fingers!John

Hopefully one day soon I will get to actually dive in and study the greats and learn some secrets. Time being money, and money being tight means time is stretched thin in my world however (as with many I would assume). In the mean time I am trying to learn from my mistakes that my body tells me about...like blisters, sore wrists, sore fingers, sore hips. Hurting All those little cues usually mean you are doing something wrong and it's time to evaluate your stance, grip, position...something. Understanding that alone has educated me more than anything, and that education has yeilded vast improvements in my playing ability. Where before I was whipped and winded after an hour set...now I play 4 hours straight and beg for more...and truth be told I honestly feel that my motions, fills, and time get smoother the deeper into the set I go.

One can only assume that studying the lessons from those better than me would do the same.

Posted on 12 years ago
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From Purdie Shuffle

Thanks for putting this thing back on topic, gents. The BandNote: I pretty much mind my own business. In the name of maintaining the peace here, I plan to go out of my way not to cross paths in the forums with RS and I hope he shows me the same respect. This is a big place, no need for -any- run-ins or further contact. Agreed?Peace in the valley...John

Not taking the thread off topic ... just answering your question ... "Agreed?".

Dude,

If you would just back the heck off of me, it would ALL be cool. There was NO explanation offered as to why you continue to harass me.

Bottom line, do not expect respect. You've lost that.

As far as crossing paths, I'm going to post on this forum in whatever place I deem appropriate ... regardless if you are there or not. It is ludicrous to think otherwise.

If you do not like the jokes or wisdom or information I post ... my advice to you ... block me.

What Would You Do
Posted on 12 years ago
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[QUOTE=Purdie Shuffle;208018]It takes a combination of techniques to get good stick control. It's never just any one thing. I mentioned Moeller earlier and when I use finger technique I am also using a modified Moeller Whip motion, it's what allows me to control the sticks. Wrists, fingers, hands, arms all come into play. The real trick is knowing which technique to apply and when. But you need to know them all.

Absolutely agreed Purdie and I do get that. What brought up my rather bizarre stick technique was working with young students who were ready to move on in their technique. From the very beginning I would talk about how to hold the stick and the importance of fluid movement, a relaxed and open fulcrum as well as using the forearm, wrist AND fingers to play. Let's face it, your average 8 - 11 year old is not going to start there. Once they progressed a bit, we started discussing using fingers (along with forearm and wrist) to propel the stick. I found it was really difficult for a lot of them to see what I was doing short of getting down below my hands to look (which is awkward in several ways). I just happened to pick up a stick one day and use the technique I described to show a student that was having difficulty figuring it out. I have no idea what prompted me to do that except that I know that everyone has their own particular learning styles and I would try anything to get my point across. Once I showed him that and had him do it, developing some finger control came pretty quickly. I started using that with other students and saw a lot of "ah-ha!" moments with them. While they couldn't immediately knock out a double stroke roll that way, they certainly did get an immediate understanding of how to propel the sticks using their fingers. The same may be true of any of the guys on this forum that have never really developed that skill. I still see some pro drummers who grab the sticks in a death grip and seem to think the only way to play is forearm and wrist. No opening in their fulcrum and not relaxed at all. When those guys are done playing I have to change the drum heads.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 12 years ago
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From Fordman49

Hopefully one day soon I will get to actually dive in and study the greats and learn some secrets. Time being money, and money being tight means time is stretched thin in my world however (as with many I would assume). In the mean time I am trying to learn from my mistakes that my body tells me about...like blisters, sore wrists, sore fingers, sore hips. Hurting All those little cues usually mean you are doing something wrong and it's time to evaluate your stance, grip, position...something. Understanding that alone has educated me more than anything, and that education has yeilded vast improvements in my playing ability. Where before I was whipped and winded after an hour set...now I play 4 hours straight and beg for more...and truth be told I honestly feel that my motions, fills, and time get smoother the deeper into the set I go.One can only assume that studying the lessons from those better than me would do the same.

Ford - Here is one of the 'better men' that I rely on...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yNb-kUPwMI[/ame]

There are some great teachers out there. The Internet makes them fairly easy to access too. If drumming is something you really love, make time to study and learn and give yourself the best chance to grow. Knowing how to maintain good health along the way, (wrist, nerve or muscle damage) will insure that you'll still be playing when you get much older. Just ask some of the coots around here...

Squint - Relaxing was the big revelation for me too! I used to get godawful tight the moment I tried to play fast. It was a barrier that blocked me for the longest time. Then I discovered all the material on techniques that can be used to overcome those kinds of obstacles. Viola! I started improving in leaps and bounds. I don't mean for technique to be taken as Gospel, but it's a great starting point. No sense reinventing the wheel... learn from the guys that came before us.

John

PS - It's funny... Jim Chapin looks like Bill Clinton giving a drum lesson! LOL

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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From RogerSling

Not taking the thread off topic ... just answering your question ... "Agreed?".Dude,If you would just back the heck off of me, it would ALL be cool. There was NO explanation offered as to why you continue to harass me.Bottom line, do not expect respect. You've lost that. As far as crossing paths, I'm going to post on this forum in whatever place I deem appropriate ... regardless if you are there or not. It is ludicrous to think otherwise.If you do not like the jokes or wisdom or information I post ... my advice to you ... block me.

"Methinks the Lady doth protest too much!" William Shakespere

I think we're all done here, cowboy. Enough already.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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PurdieShuffle,

Do us ALL a favor ...

Click the name RogerSling.

Click View Public Profile.

In the dark gray line under the first ID block on the right side is the sentence Add RogerSling to your Ignore List ... CLICK IT.

Verify the action in the next window by clicking the Save List button.

I've already done it to block your crap. I've had two friends email me in the last five minutes to say that you had responded again ... Click the damn thing already!

What Would You Do
Posted on 12 years ago
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Elle Macpherson...........x-mas3Hahahahahahahahah!!!

Posted on 12 years ago
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I've been doing the exercises from Tommy Igoe,Weckl and JoJo for a while now but it takes a long time to get quick. I am not there yet. There is a fellow from Australia that is damn good. Jack Bennett. I have some of his dvds and cds also. Very good schtuff.

Cheers,Ed

Posted on 12 years ago
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From BigE

I've been doing the exercises from Tommy Igoe,Weckl and JoJo for a while now but it takes a long time to get quick. I am not there yet. There is a fellow from Australia that is damn good. Jack Bennett. I have some of his dvds and cds also. Very good schtuff. Cheers,Ed

Yup, plenty of good coaches out there. I prefer to study video clips of guys like Morello and Papa Jo in live playing situations. That's where the useful licks come from, not so much the basic rudiments. But I really think it's important to play rudiments so you can learn how to take apart and then reproduce the patterns the pro's use live.

I like Jack Bennett! He's got a website and a ton of lesson material available on You Tube. I highly recommend checking out some of his lessons. He's a good, competent professional drummer.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH3zcpNLvmM[/ame]

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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