I agree with Ploughman's recommendation for Al Drew's Music. I just went there for the first time on Saturday, and I've never walked into a place with so much vintage Rogers hardware sitting around. Tons of hoops hanging on the wall and bins of lugs, claws, t-rods, collets, knobbies etc. I was looking for three hex FT legs, and Dave had to ask, "for a 14" or 16? I've got both lengths". And he sold them to me for a very reasonable price unlike all the parts strippers online. Call him for a price on the snare frame you need.

Mike

Steve Maxwell is one of the key design contributors and backers of the new re-issued Dyna-sonic. He is a true Rogers fan and I don't see him allowing a similar Yamaha fiasco to happen.

$799 for the new Dyna-sonic is a perfect price point. It's directly competing with Ludwig, Gretsch and DW's "flag ship" snares. Parts and shell made overseas, but hand assembled in the USA by a Pork Pie builder.

I'm excited for the new Bread & Butter lugs that have the same hole spacing as the originals. They sold all stock at the Chicago Drum show, but I am buying 14 as soon as they are available again from Steve Maxwell.

-Tim

I second Mike's reaction to a visit to Dave Drew's place. He is a really nice guy and very helpful. I've bought a number of items including completed sets from him over the years, which probably stretches back all the way into the '90's. Fun and rewarding visit every time.

As to the new Dynasonics, it seems like a great idea. And I have two wooden shell originals and two metal shell ones.

Another passion of mine is sports cars. I had an original '59 Morris S Mini back in the early mid-70's and then new 2003 and 2006 MINIs. I don't see that the new ones had any impact on the value of the old ones unless it was to drive interest again in the originals and up their prices. The analogy only goes so far because it would be something else to jump into the '59 version and drive from NY to LA, but wouldn't be a task at all in the new one. The Dynasonics, on the other hand, are likely to perform in a very similar if not identical fashion. Of course, the new one won't have the patina of the old and the old with B&B won't have the same reliability.

I was pretty excited about the new Roger's stuff. Having a resource of reasonably priced hardware is great. Having a nice Dynasonic that is attainable at a reasonable price (and you know the history of) that you can gig with and not be worrying to much about dinging up a piece of history is awesome.

I do not mind the hardware being made overseas but for some reason the shells being made overseas just doesn't seem right. How much more would it have increased the snare price to have an American made shell? Maybe $100? I really do not know, just throwing out a nice round number. If you are already $800 into it, the extra $100 probably wouldn't make the difference for most folks these snares will appeal to anyway. Maybe Steve wasn't able to get the shell he was looking for custom made without going over seas?

I could see a lower priced overseas sourced line and a premium American sourced line.

I'm sure I'm in the minority on this. Who knows, I may see one and have to have it anyway!

I'm sure it's a concern for a lot of Rogers die-hards, but I suspect if the shells are well constructed with the right materials, most who have been waiting for a new Rogers owner to "do it right" won't care enough not to buy one.

Well, you might be right about running for congress...If a guy who owns 17 Dynas buys one of the new ones, what can I say. I can only hope they stop at snare drums. No way if they make drumsets are they going to make new Swivomatic hardware. It will be generic stuff with the Rogers logo slapped on. Do you agree that if the demand for these drums increases they will have to be made in Taiwan to be cost effective ?

Yes, " The Yamaha fiasco ". And the Fender Squires. We own something special with our vintage Rogers drums. Hunting them down. Paying through the nose for that special WMP or Red Sparkle orphan. Why should some guy be able to walk into The Guitar Center and but a new " Rogers " drum. That's why.

Yes, " The Yamaha fiasco ". And the Fender Squires. We own something special with our vintage Rogers drums. Hunting them down. Paying through the nose for that special WMP or Red Sparkle orphan. Why should some guy be able to walk into The Guitar Center and buy a new " Rogers " drum. That's why.

If by cost effective you mean cheap. Naturally. Or places much worse than Taiwan, with an effective workforce of six year olds owned by the company. Taiwan being the economy that it is... isn't going to allow for "cheap," and "quality" to be in the same spreadsheet. In the years following the war.... Japanese manufacturing was cheap, and products were dumped into the American market, as a way to establish a Japanese economy. Over a very short period of time, Japanese goods were no longer cheap, no longer of a disposable quality, and American Automobile manufacturers had to grapple with the reality that a car must last a whole lot more than 100,000 miles before it was toast. The Japanese did that. Taiwan became the dumping ground of cheap, and we ate their products with abandon. With each ... cheap... Taiwanese thing we bought, their quality came up. And they found how to raise production with quality. Taiwan no longer means "Cheap." And their quality rivals anything produced anywhere in the world.... and surpasses some things of the same sort made here. A generation from now, and it is already happening... China will dominate the world, and will no longer be "cheap." As those markets have improved, so have their standards of living, their productions levels, and the quality of their products. Come out of the caves my friend, we can now live in houses.

The new BB lug is of superior design at half the cost of an inferior design made with a more durable material.

The JP lugs being steel, solved a problem of durability, at 30.00 each. The same flaws of design were still present. There have not been enough sold to truly test the lasting durability of the material change. Because the lugs are too expensive to buy. The same flaws of design in the original are present in the reproduction. The only difference is durability was increased by choice of material. They still stretch. They will probably still break, only at higher tension. On drums, I am sure the issue is resolved. On snares... probably not. And, they are fine lugs that will most likely not fail. But the design is one built to fail. The new Rogers lug, is a design that corrects the flaws of the original, in a design that should never fail. That is tried and true, and identical in design to the overwhelming majority of lugs used by every one. The original BB... not so much.