Sounds like a very clear case that should be taken straight to Ludwig. They should refund you every penny if you are not satisfied.

For the most part, modern hardware has gotten very good (IMHO). Unfortunately, evidently in some cases, this is not entirely the case - perhaps an engineering issue or poor manufacturing. I wonder where they are made? In cases of being made offshore, perhaps this translates into a situation where Ludwig has less QC control (as oxymoronic as that sounds).

Ludwig is consistently responsive about dealing with these issues if you contact them. No company can have perfect QC, but the good ones work hard to quickly handle lemons. Ludwig is definitely one of the good ones.

You're absolutely right.That stand shouldn't budge.I have a 60's vintage Buck Rogers,and it dosen't move.Neither do either on of my Tamas.

Every once in a while,a bad one will slip through.I'm sure going through the drum shop,and Ludwig rep,with get things back to your satisfaction.

This is the first I've heard of this,so it dosen't seem to a systemic problem,which is a good thing.

No matter if it's a drum stand,or Rolls Royce,every once in a while,there will be QC problems,as long as imperfect humans are involved.Best of luck.

Steve B

> 60's vintage Buck Rogers,

That the one, baby! I swear by those stands. Better to buy a NOS old Buck Rogers stand than any of the new ones. They work!

John

Thanks gentlemen......:o

Update.......I contacted the drum shop, DRUMLAND.....I just had to plug it, because JD is great to deal with and I exclusively go there. I can bring it in and he will replace it with a new stand.......simple.....who doesn't like that...Clapping Happy2

Glad the shop stepped up - as they should, at least initially.

I'm surprised about the stand though, I assume you mean the heavy duty one with the sliding grips on the basket arms? (there are two stands called Pro... ) I don't automatically defend Ludwig on everything, they have a few weak spots and I readily admit them. But my experience with the stand has been completely the opposite - my snare/stand on tour doesn't budge, walk, rotate, or do anything undesirable.

The problem many drummers have with the almost universal offset snare baskets is that the snare doesn't sit directly over the center post on the stand. Every stroke of the snare affects the balance, and the stand often walks or shifts as result.

With the Pro stand (with Pillar Clutch, not the Standard model...) the grips are movable, so the drum can be shifted/positioned directly over the post of the stand for perfect balance. the energy of each stroke is sent straight down, and doesn't 'pull' the stand in the direction of the offset.

I'm not saying that your stand didn't have a problem, but even a perfect one needs some adjustment in order to get the best performance.

Bermuda

I will try that with the new stand. I am a hard, heavy handed player. Although I take really good care of my equipment. I use a 1979 Supra on this stand. I do understand what your saying about the balance. I will check it out. It the Pro Series model, double braced, has the cylinder type tightening grip for the basket. It looks super heavy duty. Besides the basket moving, the post moves side to side, or as you put it.....dances....it sure does, but not to my beat.

You have the Pro Standard, which is fairly heavy-duty, but suffers from the same walking problem that affects most stands for heavy hitters. The step up from that - the one with the movable grips (LAP23SSL) - completely eliminates the problem (and also holds 10-16" drums.)

Your model is very good, but like most stands, heavy hitters like us will experience movement. I don't know how much more expensive the upgrade would be, but it's well worth it to make the stand stop creeping.

Bermuda

PS - just saw in the catalog, the entire movable grip basket thingy is named (by Ludwig) the Pillar Clutch.