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...one of those prime time variety shows. Whatever! Stupid sinus infection...Eye Ball

Do COLLECTORS refer to "pre-Ringo" kits as Ringo kits? THAT'S what I'm wondering...

If you open up a Ludwig catalog, of course it's not going to be in there, but if you talk to a vintage drum enthusiast, and you refer to a "Ringo kit", it's common-enough nomenclature that they are going to know what you're talking about. I'm just curious about this tiny minutiae of a detail...

watch ebay you'll have your answer, but<< yes

is the answer if it's BOP in the sizes he used you'll pay thru the nose!!

That just doesn't seem right, though. I've seen a late 70s 6-ply B.O.P. kit (re-wrap?), and I, personally, wouldn't consider that a Ringo kit. But, if that's what the nomenclature is, then so be it. Heck, even the new ones, which are still banking off of Beatlemania, are called "Fab Four Configuration".

I guess it's just people trying to make more money...

Any re wrap is devalued!! and the new ones bring no money compared to the originals!

It depends on individual collectors' interpretation of these "unofficial" nicknames for sets. The Ringo thing is a whole separate ballpark, cross-collectible that doesn't really always have the same criteria as do strictly-drum collectors' standards.

I'm with the idea that the Oyster Black Pearl configuration that Ringo used should be exactly that configuration (hardware and everything) if it's truly going to fit with the nickname....but that's me. Other peoples' definition can be as loose as just needing to be some kind of Oyster Black Pearl finish, and that's it.

I try to use catalog references, when possible, to add to the "official" names of things. That way, it keeps things from getting clouded by ambiguity. That said, there's still lots of ambiguity! Storm Trooper

Also...I think it should be mentioned that Ringo has used different drum sets over the course of time. The Abbey Road sessions, for example, were not a recorded on that Ed Sullivan Oyster Black Pearl setup. I can't recall all the sets he used to record with, but they have varied. So, then, WHICH Ringo set is the real Ringo set? Mind Blowi

It's actually called Oyster Black Pearl (OBP). It ran from the 59 transition period to about 75ish. Only the first 2/3 of the run would be what we recognize as the Ringo wrap. Ringo didn't own one of these kits until 63 and that was a little jazzer sized one. So, if we do the math correctly, there are only about six years of drums that should be considered Ringo kits. But even those are phlugy because three of the four he owned had Rogers mounts! You won't be finding many of those collectables. So, it's really all bunk that these kits are called Ringo kits to begin with.

And you won't find THE Ringo kits as he still owns all of them! :2Cents:

I didn't know that.

But, what I mean to say is that, let's say your first experience with the Beatles was when they broadcast the Ed Sullivan Show that night. That Oyster Black Pearl kit was the one we saw.

Another person's first-time Beatles experience might not have been until years later when Sgt. Pepper's or Abbey Road came out. They will identify with a different Ringo/kit.

The same can be said of Bonham and Keith Moon's kits, too. They all had several "famous" kits. But, for whatever reason(s), it's that Oyster Black Pearl kit that many collectors are hungry for. Love is kinda crazy sometimes. Chewie:

Very good point O-Lugs. If your first exposure was late late Beatles, it would have been the Maple kit. Wow. I've never thought about that before. It's funny now, but I never knew that Ringo had more than one size kit in the early years. All I knew was he was looking really big behind the kit and then he looked normal behind the kit. What the heck did I know between a Downbeat and a SuperClassic. I was young and goofy. I figured he was a big star and had days when he just felt 'taller'. Made sense to me.