Well look at it this way,..If I put a drum up for sale and it had four mount holes that I put there and the rail was missing, I couldn`t say it is original, or sell it as original because it would be by definition a players drum.

If I sold a drum that had four mounting holes that came from the factory that way and put the original missing part, or an era/time correct one back on, or sold it with the missing part, I could still say it is original and not a players drum.

Now the drum is advertised as one rail and the one with two makes it special ordered...but original and not players....Right ??

[quote=OddBall;195085]Well look at it this way,..If I put a drum up for sale and it had four mount holes that I put there and the rail was missing, I couldn`t say it is original, or sell it as original because it would be by definition a players drum.

If I sold a drum that had four mounting holes that came from the factory that way and put the original missing part, or an era/time correct one back on, or sold it with the missing part, I could still say it is original and not a players drum.

Now the drum is advertised as one rail and the one with two makes it special ordered...but original and not players....Right ??[/quote That is assuming the holes are factory? the rail consolette is missing as is the snare drum so how is it a downbeat kit then? so the question that was the original topic of the thread is between the issues of the down beat kit against a real factory original super classic kit, I'll take the factory super classic kit.

If you can produce a receipt from Ludwig indicating the custom order and that the work was done at the Ludwig factory, then you might be able to get away with having the extra rail. If not, then the claim of "original" would be nearly impossible to make. So many of those added pieces were done at the local music store or by the owners, themselves, that IF there were any factory-produced special orders, they would be more the exception than not.

OK, I understand now,..as a kit (not drum) !!

If I had to choose,..I`d take the Sonor !! :D