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I just want to know why no one has reproduced that snare drum, I am sure Billy Gladstone was a superb craftsmen but I am sure that there are very talented drum builders that could step up to the challenge. Also the statement of the drums sitting on Mikes shelf, would that be Mr. Crurotto?

Posted on 14 years ago
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Arie Lang has and does, and has been for quite sometime!! and was a certain student to a certain someone? http://www.langpercussion.com/

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
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Thank you for the link, VM2K. Love the 7" Cocobolo with gold hardware. Very cool and would love to hear it.

B

Vintage Drum Fan (Not a Guru)
Posted on 14 years ago
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From cfalzerano

I remember when Palmer had the set listed in NSMD years ago for "BO over $30,000." I've always said drums are WAY behind the market. Consider that a FACTORY Fender strat from the 50's will go for upwards to $100K. http://www.swingmusic.net/1956_Fender_Stratocaster.htmlI repeat FACTORY! These drums were custom made in the 50's when "custom" didn't exist. Add to that, built by the "best" snare drummer or our time (according to Buddy Rich) and $165,000 doesn't seem that much. (You reading this Maxwell? I expect some kick-back!)

Hey Chet, that $30K seems like a steal, now.

As for expensive kits, a few months ago, I saw a Ludwig USO Tour kit that was being offered at $100K, on ebay. Don't know if it sold or if it's even still available (or if was the real deal). I remember being shocked, though. Perhaps as drums may creep up trowards crazy money, well start to see more special drums and kits come out of the woodwork.

Thanks again for posting the Gladstone sale link. Fun to see.

B

Vintage Drum Fan (Not a Guru)
Posted on 14 years ago
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Bill, your welcome, I had the pleasure of spending 30 minutes with Arie Lang at the Atlanta Vintage Drum Show, he was Awesome super energetic, I played this cocobolo, and even his real Gladstone, I actually played six display models in a row, one being the cocobolo, the real Gladstone a maple vaughncraft solid shell, a walnut shell, birch, and a 7" plied maple shell, He asked me which ones I liked I told him the solid vaughncraft, the cocobolo is to high timbered to my taste, I told him the one on the end I didn't particularity care for, he laughed and stated I had to have the bearing edges redone 3 times to get it right, he said a lot of the Gladstone drummers had the edges re cut, just stating what was told to me! but his drums are Superb Instruments, just ask Chet!

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
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Well ok then!

Posted on 14 years ago
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From lucky

I just want to know why no one has reproduced that snare drum, I am sure Billy Gladstone was a superb craftsmen but I am sure that there are very talented drum builders that could step up to the challenge. Also the statement of the drums sitting on Mikes shelf, would that be Mr. Crurotto?

I think VM2K summed up the Lang/Gladstone story quite well and yes "Mikes shelf" is Mr. Curotto. Before anyone else takes the self-exalted position of “I am a player and you are a collector” with Mike Curotto, I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area for 28 years and I can tell you Mr. Curotto is well known in the area as both a performer and teacher of most all genres. I might also note he has been doing this for many more years than he has been a "collector." Most collectors I know are players on some level or another. Actualy, one has nothing to do with another aside from both sharing the same medium, in this case drums. If someone is an excellent player, in my mind, he should be admired equally with an excellent collector. Both require an intense amount of study, work and perseverance. IF Mike was just a collector, he has my vote, as well as, I am sure, his descendants.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Hi,

Reading through all this, I started wondering more and more about how Gladstone built his drums. What he made personally, what he contracted out to Gretsch and others. Then I wondered where he did all this book.

So, I bought the book! "Billy Gladstone" by Chet.

I am looking forward to its arrival and what I can glean.

BTW when I sent this link to a few of my musician friends, one replied with this bass guitar auction for a John Entwhistle Guild Bass:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1970s-GUILD-STARFIRE-BASS-EX-JOHN-ENTWISTLE-/260759355672?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item3cb6780118

cheers,

Patrick

Posted on 14 years ago
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Absolutely!

I am with you here Mike. I would not think twice about it.

It IS a "collector's Holy Grail" no question. I would rather have these drum over a collector's car of same or higher value.

As a drummer and a modest collector of drums I could not think of anything in drumdom that I would rather sit behind in my livingroom

The Band

Cheers!

From Mike Curotto

Who cares if you play 155,000.00 better or not...although your opinion is as valid as anyone's you are missing the point...this is a museum piece/collector's item that you will never see again...it's a piece of drum history, who gives a rats a$$ how it sounds. The collector with that kind of disposable income will be getting a collector's Holy Grail. I'd buy it in a New York Minute if I had that kind of disposable income set aside for drums. Mike Curotto

Posted on 14 years ago
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From AZBill

Hey Chet, that $30K seems like a steal, now. As for expensive kits, a few months ago, I saw a Ludwig USO Tour kit that was being offered at $100K, on ebay. Don't know if it sold or if it's even still available (or if was the real deal). I remember being shocked, though. Perhaps as drums may creep up trowards crazy money, well start to see more special drums and kits come out of the woodwork. Thanks again for posting the Gladstone sale link. Fun to see.B

Bill, the guy that owns that kit puts it up every so often to show it off. The next time you see it, read the whole text, you get a feel for how he feels. He is a vintage dealer, although his name escapes me at the moment. He has a partner in his business, and occasionally that ad sows up here with the obligatory "WTF!!!" exclamations and ten it explained to the OP that they should go back and read the entire thing, as he really has no desire to sell that particular kit. He happens to be a vintage Ludwig lover and knows that by keeping the ad at 100K, he won't have to entertain any serious offers to sell that kit.

On to the Gladstone, I would love to hear any recordings of it played in an orchestral setting. Chet, do you know where we can find any such recordings?

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Posted on 14 years ago
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