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From Slingalud

Yeah, so tell us something we don't know!...Lol...I seem to recall someone trying everything in the book to discredit the validity of two 14x24" Oaklawn era cloud badged bass drums without re-rings...Lol...If I believed everything I saw or read I would have passed on the 1st one when it came up for sale. (Like some forum members did. ) I knew it was the real deal, that's why I didn't hesitate when the second one arrived on the scene from Ryan.(The music store drum tech from the midwest) Now it seems they are the only two that have not been drilled or modified for after market hardware. And no they are not like the 3ply Ludwig and Slingerland shells but sound like, and resemble the early Gretsch shells made by Jasper.They even have the same bearing edges.. My God do those bass drums slay... Stedi, Ever notice on page 4 of the Oaklawn catalog with the triple tom set on the cover, that the bass drum tom mount is facing backwards on the Blue Moire kit, like on your two up maple kit.

Funny how you like to put words in my mouth. I never tried to discredit those shells. What I needed was more info, more examples as that is an odd one. But I also would like to see an Oaklawn 24 w/ rings now. Because now I'm begining to think they might not exist.

1957 George Way BDP 26" concert bass drum
1959 George Way BDP 22/12/16 w/ 5.5x14
1959 George Way Green Sparkle 22/12/16 w/5.5x14
1961 George Way Blue Sparkle 20/12/15
1961 George Way Jelly Bean 20/12/14 w/4.5x14
1960’s Camco Oaklawn Champagne 20/12/14/16w/5x14
1971-73 Camco Chanute Walnut 24/14/18 w/5x14 COB
Posted on 11 years ago
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Thanks for the kind feedback guys. I will try to find a little time to disassemble and take some closeups. Back to you soon!

Posted on 11 years ago
#42
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Has anyone seen the interior of an Oaklawn or Chanute era 14x26" BD? I wonder if they were made like the 6/6 ply Chanute 24s, or the Oaklawn 24s?

Posted on 11 years ago
#43
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From Slingalud

Has anyone seen the interior of an Oaklawn or Chanute era 14x26" BD? I wonder if they were made like the 6/6 ply Chanute 24s, or the Oaklawn 24s?

I saw one years ago. It was a 26/14/20. I don't remember the bass drum but the 20" floor tom was 18" deep. It was a 14x 20 matched up with a 4x 20. It had a reinforcement ring on the inside where the two shells met. On the exterior you could barely make out the seam. The kit was heavily hot rodded with Pearl hardware and an unoriginal red stain. If it were original I probably would've pulled the trigger.

BTW I've had a total of 3 COB snare drums. 2 from Oaklawn and I from Chanute which I still own. All three of them have chrome grommets with the thin lip similar to the brass ones. I find it hard to believe that all 3 of them have had their badges tampered with. Anyone else here have a COB snare to compare with?

1957 George Way BDP 26" concert bass drum
1959 George Way BDP 22/12/16 w/ 5.5x14
1959 George Way Green Sparkle 22/12/16 w/5.5x14
1961 George Way Blue Sparkle 20/12/15
1961 George Way Jelly Bean 20/12/14 w/4.5x14
1960’s Camco Oaklawn Champagne 20/12/14/16w/5x14
1971-73 Camco Chanute Walnut 24/14/18 w/5x14 COB
Posted on 11 years ago
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From DolFan54

I saw one years ago. It was a 26/14/20. I don't remember the bass drum but the 20" floor tom was 18" deep. It was a 14x 20 matched up with a 4x 20. It had a reinforcement ring on the inside where the two shells met. On the exterior you could barely make out the seam. The kit was heavily hot rodded with Pearl hardware and an unoriginal red stain. If it were original I probably would've pulled the trigger.BTW I've had a total of 3 COB snare drums. 2 from Oaklawn and I from Chanute which I still own. All three of them have chrome grommets with the thin lip similar to the brass ones. I find it hard to believe that all 3 of them have had their badges tampered with. Anyone else here have a COB snare to compare with?

I don't recall ever seeing an Oaklawn era chrome finish SD With a brass grommet, they were all chrome. There again, that might have been by design...

Posted on 11 years ago
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Below is general commentary on Camco sets with Rogers hardware. It is not directly referring to sets pictured in this thread.

* Rogers offered Camco hardware in their catalogs.

* George Way & Camco always offered sets to dealers with the availability & option of having the set your way. This many times meant sending virgin bass drums to the store that the set was ordered from, & the store would then install the Rogers Swivo hardware.

* There is a well known drum school in Indiana run by a Mr. Eddie Knight who was a Camco endorser & dealer in the 60's (He is in at least one of the catlogs as an endorser). I have spoken to him & was told that he recommended Rogers tom mounts for all the Camco's that were ordered though him & many if not most of the Camco's that were ordered & sold through his store/school were Rogers equipped. (You would know if you ever came across a set from Eddy's school because he stamped the inside of the bass drums with an "Eddie Knight School for Drummers" rubber stamp in black ink.) I have owned sets that were sold from his school with these stamps, & of coarse the Rogers tom mounts.

* After George Way was voted out of his own company(Camco), he started selling/distributing percussion items out of his own George Way catalog which included Rogers hardware.

* I have owned/own a handful of sets along with seeing several others that I have not owned that were equipped with Rogers tom arms & had never been drilled for anything other than Rogers.

* I have also owned & seen Camco sets that had Rogers spurs/mounts on the bass drum as well as Rogers knobby floor tom brackets/legs. These drums were never drilled for anything other than these Rogers parts.

An Oaklawn era Camco Aristocrat outfit with Rogers hardware & no extra holes...what more could anyone ask for in a 1960's drum set?!? Best of the best IMHO.

Posted on 11 years ago
#46
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These are some great drums. Should be big demand for these.

Do you have the missing inlay for the 3d Moire bass drum hoop inlay? If not, you can get a close approximation these days (the bubbles are slightly smaller) which would be good enough to bluff with. The stuff goes for about $9 a yard.

Would also love to see a pic of that "spare" 20" 3d shell.

Posted on 11 years ago
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I'am not seeing the Camco hardware in the Roger's catalog. I have the Roger's Creator's of new concepts in percussion Catalog 67-68 which has 65 pages and I don't even see so much as one piece of Camco hardware advertised. Likewise in all of the Camco catalogs, there isn't any Roger's hardware offered...I think we should be careful not to build a relationship where there was none.

Posted on 11 years ago
#48
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From Slingalud

I'am not seeing the Camco hardware in the Roger's catalog. I have the Roger's Creator's of new concepts in percussion Catalog 67-68 which has 65 pages and I don't even see so much as one piece of Camco hardware advertised. Likewise in all of the Camco catalogs, there isn't any Roger's hardware offered...I think we should be careful not to build a relationship where there was none.

1.) There are Camco offerings in earlier Rogers catalogs. Pages 46, 48, 50 & 54 of the 1962 Rogers "Catalog 62R" for example.

2.) Nowhere in my post did I mention Camco catalogs having Rogers hardware listed in them.

3.) Yes, I think we should be very careful indeed. Careful to not build assumptions on things that are not fact (or to assume others are doing so without having the knowledge to back it up).

Posted on 11 years ago
#49
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