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Alternatives to Ludwig Supraphonics?

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Lookin' into getting a Ludwig Supra 5 x 14. But before I delve too deep into the process, a few questions for all you vintage experts:

1) Are there other metal snares (brass perhaps?) that you would recommend (by any drum maker - model #'s would be helpful) as a good or better alternative to the Supra? Or should I just stick with a Supra?

2) Brass shell snares seem to me to be the most in demand, and usually most expensive. In your experience, do you feel it's worth the extra $ to get a brass shell snare versus a steel, aluminum, Ludalloy etc...?

3) I understand you need to get older drums in order to get the thinner wood shells but for a metal shell, other than better re-sale value and the coolness factor in having an older drum, are there good reasons for buying an older metal snare (ie. 50's, 60's, 70's) versus something newer than that? I'd probably go for an older snare but thought it was worth hearing some thoughts on the matter.

Posted on 14 years ago
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You can get a sweet Slingy Krupa COB for a song. Great snares.

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I second the Slingy Krupa COB :)

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Posted on 14 years ago
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No, there are no alternatives :)

Posted on 14 years ago
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Well, that was a bit of a no option huddle. There are, in fact many many options. Heck, Steve played amtape box on a RLJ tune and it sounded brilliant. Honestly, keep your ears open and the choices abound.

Posted on 14 years ago
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This one is pretty cool and really qualifies as a SupraPhonic alternative...

It came from an old Ford XR2 (14x6 Fiesta wheel) so I guess that qualifies it as "vintage" plus it has the homemade appeal to it too... what's not to like!!!

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Posted on 14 years ago
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I like the Premier 2000 snare a lot,and so did Keith Moon!

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Posted on 14 years ago
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A lot of people think the Ludwig acrolite is close or the same as a supra,but I hear a difference with the grey ones,but the modern Blackrolite sounds real close to me.For a COB the vintage slingys are a great bang for the buck.Yhe pearl sensitones I have heard are another pretty inexpensive choice .

Posted on 14 years ago
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Rogers Super Ten for a great COS, Rogers Powertone for a great COB, the Powertone being the little brother to the Dyna, without the expensive and, some feel finicky, snare bridge. These are all top notch Rogers snares. As a matter of fact, any of the Slngerland or Rogers COB or COS snares would be a great choice.

Don't forget the Acrolite, either. This is one of the best drums in the world, even though it is not as aesthetically pleasing as the chrome models. If you look for a VGC keystone model, they are really sweet looking lightly polished shells, not the anodized versions we all grew up looking at and playing. They are the working man's Supra. It really is the basis of the Supra, just 2 fewer lugs and no chrome.

Premeir makes some top notch snares as well, however I am unfamiliar with them. And Sonor, but they are harder to come by.

For a little flavor, you could look at two of the best snares from Japan, and they are top of the world as well, the TAMA King Beat and the Pearl Jupiter, with or without parallel strainer. These are also some of the best sounding and playing snares out there. And they can be had for a bit less than some of the American snares, but are not as prevalent as say, a Supra as far as the market goes. Don't discount these because they are not US made drums, they are highly sought after by many drummers around the world who otherwise have nothing but American/European collections. They are just simply some of the best drums in the world, bar none.

As far as it goes, almost any of the 50s, 60s and 70 COB or COS snares are a good choice, no matter the brand, American, European or Japanese. I own a Star plain-jane COS snare that is simple and has a round, blue badge that reads, simply, Made In Japan, and it will sing out there with many of the big boys, and on the super cheap. Paid $23.00 for it, including shipping.

If you want to consider modern, top shelf snare, the TAMA Metalworks are really some nice drums. A little jazzed up with rhinestones for some tastes, but man, they are right up there with the best.

So, there you have my silly diatribe on the whole matter.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Thank you for all the info and detailed responses!

I'm interested in finding out more about the Slingy Krupa COB - plus I've already got a Slingerland kit, so I guess I'm kinda partial to them.

Those that have recommended the Krupa COB ... are you referring to the Gene Krupa Sound King COB snare? (1963-1977) Zoomatic strainer? Is the strainer what differentiates it from other Slingerland brass shell snares?

Will this model snare accept wider 42 count snare wires?

Approximately what price range would I be looking at for this type of snare?

Thanks again!

Posted on 14 years ago
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