awesome !!!the sweet crash is great I hated it in the store but was in desperate need of a crash for a gig ... didn't have one ... long story ... but when I got it home and on the kit I fell in love with it it serves as a left side ride in jazz situations beautifully as well
The bells are awesome, the crash rich. Your kit looks very clean. Hope you enjoy it!
Very lovely Joe Morello tribute kit you have there, Gvdadrummasum. If I wanted to get a set of the period correct cymbals for that kit I'd go for a set of Small Stamp (Late 50s) cymbals. The real deal. Not that I don't love Joe's 602s as well.
The "new" Avedis line of A Zildjians would be about the right sound you would want to replicate Joe's sound from the "Time Out" era. He used A's then and they were not only large, but on the thin side......the Avedis ones would be perfect in this respect. Joe played 14" "medium" hi-hats, a 19" "medium-thin" crash ride, and a 21" "medium" ride at the time.....although the cymbal that is to be purported as THE ONE, is claimed to be closer to a 20" in size than a 21"......its somewhere in between actually. Remember, what we call medium today is rather heavy compared to the late 1950's, so the terms I used in quotes are rather arbitrary.
I'm curious where you got your information about Joe playing a 21". I've heard the claim before but I've never seen any source for the information. I would love to know more. I'm both a fan of 21" cymbals and Joe's playing.
Here is what is supposed to be THE ONE according to Memphis Drum Shop:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk_Th7vmLtY"]Joe Morello - The "Take Five" Cymbal Documentary - YouTube[/ame]
Late 50s Small Stamp (SSB), 20 1/8" (55 cm), 2192g. And yes, of the cymbals I've studied there are more slightly oversized ones from the late 50s (Small Stamp) era. Going back into the 40s the diameters aren't as accurate and tend towards being slightly undersized.
Yes, there is a shift in weights which I've documented
[img]http://black.net.nz/avedis/images/A20-weights-by-era.png[/img]
The 2013 reset of the A series brought weights back down, and there are some in that M (for Modern) era category. The A Avedis Series are lighter than the 2013 reset of the A Series. Interestingly the A Zildjian & Cie series did a good job of targeting the Trans Stamp period. In contrast to the tightly focused A Zildjian & Cie weight range, the A Avedis are more variable but still in that heavier Trans Stamp/lighter Small Stamp sweet zone. Here is the published range for the A Avedis 20" cymbals (thanks to Paul Francis). The other coordinate is price and here we're comparing the used prices of vintage cymbals with the Minimum Advertised Price (MAP) for A Avedis cymbals.
[img]http://black.net.nz/avedis/images/20-A-Avedis-update.png[/img]
I've got weights for a MEDIUM RIDE from the 80s which are in the portly 2430g-2600g range compared to a late 50s MEDIUM RIDE which is more like Joe's. There were also MEDIUM, MEDIUM THIN and MEDIUM BOUNCE and BOP models floating around. I'm still working on collecting examples with the model and weight class ink still intact, plus the associated weights. Of course it's about the sound not the weight, but the information on weights and models helps inform our discussion.
I'm curious where you got your information about Joe playing a 21". I've heard the claim before but I've never seen any source for the information. I would love to know more. I'm both a fan of 21" cymbals and Joe's playing.
Got it right from Zildjian from one of their now hard to find Artist Setup guides......check it out:
Here is what is supposed to be THE ONE according to Memphis Drum Shop:Joe Morello - The "Take Five" Cymbal Documentary - YouTubeLate 50s Small Stamp (SSB), 20 1/8" (55 cm), 2192g. And yes, of the cymbals I've studied there are more slightly oversized ones from the late 50s (Small Stamp) era. Going back into the 40s the diameters aren't as accurate and tend towards being slightly undersized.
Yes that's the one purported to be THE ONE. Bowing Note how it's either an oversized 20" or an undersized 21".....its somewhere in between, which I bet means it was a non-standard, un-cataloged size, probably either made for Joe, or just a hand picked one from a stack of ones that may have been ready to be sized up and Joe said leave it that way........either way, it was probably picked out for him to try by the old man (Avedis himself) at the time. Avedis had a knack for knowing what his artists wanted at the time. Either way with the size, I bet since it was over 20", they just called it a 21" and put it in the guide as such.
just amazing info guys ...wonderful cymbal info ... thanks so much
I love that Joe is playing brushes in the photo ...
where he is known for his amazing feel and great soloing ability his brush playing is probably something I love most about him
this here is some of my favorite brush work of all time ... check out the twos he trades in the beginning ... superb
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK_E1X2bZHA"]The Dave Brubeck Quartet - Three To Get Ready - At Carnegie Hall (1963) - YouTube[/ame]
Sunday Fathers Day Joe fest..
AWESOME!!
Joe's snare drum was COB wasn't it?
Yes. Seems like it was the early WFL badged model. Ludwig Transition badge at the latest i'd think.Mike
The Band
Seconded....but with that said, Joe could sound like that with any drum he played.....all the good players do that, right BEC? ;)
Joe played DW in his later years as we all know, and the drum sound he got when playing Take Five in those later years was the same......why? Not because of the brand of drums or makeup of the drums he played, but because it was him. Joe sounded like Joe, just like I sound like me, which is NOTHING like Joe BTW LoLoLoLo
