Can someone please help me identify the era of this Zildjian? I’ve been looking at the date stamp identifiers online but nothing is jumping out at me. I really like this cymbal. I found it at a local music shop but because my fiancé and I are going on vacation next month I’m waiting to pull the trigger.
These pictures aren’t great but I hope there’s enough angles to determine the era of stamp. There is no logo on the bottom or top of the cymbal that I could find.
Can someone please help me identify the era of this Zildjian? I’ve been looking at the date stamp identifiers online but nothing is jumping out at me. I really like this cymbal. I found it at a local music shop but because my fiancé and I are going on vacation next month I’m waiting to pull the trigger. These pictures aren’t great but I hope there’s enough angles to determine the era of stamp. There is no logo on the bottom or top of the cymbal that I could find.
Its a '60s stamp. Which date stamp identifiers were you looking at. Were you looking at Bill Hartick's (Drumaholic) or Zenstat's? I believe the '60s stamp is one of the easier ones to identify. Also, in the future you might consider posting cymbal queries in Vintage Cymbal forum.
Its a '60s stamp. Which date stamp identifiers were you looking at. Were you looking at Bill Hartick's (Drumaholic) or Zenstat's? I believe the '60s stamp is one of the easier ones to identify. Also, in the future you might consider posting cymbal queries in Vintage Cymbal forum.
D’oh! I didn’t even think of the cymbal forum.
I was using hidehitters.com, vintagezildjians.com, robscott.net, and black.net.nz. I kept finding characteristics that I felt contradicted others and didn’t feel like I could nail it down. Thanks for your input, Bos!
D’oh! I didn’t even think of the cymbal forum. I was using hidehitters.com, vintagezildjians.com, robscott.net, and black.net.nz. I kept finding characteristics that I felt contradicted others and didn’t feel like I could nail it down. Thanks for your input, Bos!
Just curious which characteristics made you think it wasn't a '60's cymbal. Which other period did you think it might have been from?
I'd be curious too because I'm always looking to improve my site in terms of ease of use. Yours looks like a 1960s short stamp including the quirks of that particular die. It also matches the bold/not bold distinction in terms of the ZILDJIAN Co (bold) compared to the AVEDIS and the Ottoman section.
[img]http://black.net.nz/avedis/images/15-914-short-60s-rule.jpg[/img]
I'd love to know what you felt didn't fit the pattern, and what the other trademark stamps were which you thought yours might be. What was it close to?
The other thing to note is that there is an overemphasis on considering the trademark die stamp in identifying production period. Once you know what to look for, a glance at a cymbal's lathing and visible hammering patterns will tell you it is 1960s or not. I've covered hammering and lathing on my site, but my site started off with trademarks because that's what everybody seemed to base identification on. So my site still looks trademark focused even though that's less than half of the story.
Also a note for general readers who might find this later: the others sites you mention (hidehitters.com, vintagezildjians.com, robscott.net) are not maintained and are years out of date, as well as incomplete in their coverage of just what details to look for to tell different stamps apart. They don't even have all the known stamps, and contain misinformation about the ones they do have. Yet nothing gets corrected. But then I would say that wouldn't I? :)
Where you might be able to help me is whether or not my site is too comprehensive to take in. Is being comprehensive, data rich, and accurate actually a handicap? I'm experimenting with other approaches so I'd love to know what you think.
I'd be curious too because I'm always looking to improve my site in terms of ease of use. Yours looks like a 1960s short stamp including the quirks of that particular die. It also matches the bold/not bold distinction in terms of the ZILDJIAN Co (bold) compared to the AVEDIS and the Ottoman section. [img]http://black.net.nz/avedis/images/15-914-short-60s-rule.jpg[/img]I'd love to know what you felt didn't fit the pattern, and what the other trademark stamps were which you thought yours might be. What was it close to?The other thing to note is that there is an overemphasis on considering the trademark die stamp in identifying production period. Once you know what to look for, a glance at a cymbal's lathing and visible hammering patterns will tell you it is 1960s or not. I've covered hammering and lathing on my site, but my site started off with trademarks because that's what everybody seemed to base identification on. So my site still looks trademark focused even though that's less than half of the story. Also a note for general readers who might find this later: the others sites you mention (hidehitters.com, vintagezildjians.com, robscott.net) are not maintained and are years out of date, as well as incomplete in their coverage of just what details to look for to tell different stamps apart. They don't even have all the known stamps, and contain misinformation about the ones they do have. Yet nothing gets corrected. But then I would say that wouldn't I? :)Where you might be able to help me is whether or not my site is too comprehensive to take in. Is being comprehensive, data rich, and accurate actually a handicap? I'm experimenting with other approaches so I'd love to know what you think.
Your site is great. The problem is that I'm starting from step one, so when I want to identify a cymbal it seems much simpler to me to just look at a stamp, much easier than trying to recognize hammer patterns or lathing, that is. Again, that's because I'm starting at step one. The breadth of information and the detail on your page is incredible, and I wouldn't suggest that anything about your page is a handicap to being informative. When I said I found descriptions that contradicted others, it wasn't that anything on your site was misstated, but that identifying a defining feature wasn't so simple a task as saying, for example, "This stamp has three dots so it's clearly a ________."
Your site doesn't complicate the issue. Simply, the amount of variations in cymbals doesn't lend itself to being as black and white an issue as spotting the difference in a six-ply maple interior Ludwig and a three-ply mahogany.
Thanks for helping me with identifying this one, guys. And Zenstat, I plan to keep learning by using your site!
