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What is a fair offer for bop ringo kit ? Last viewed: 4 hours ago

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Found this Ludwig Black Oyster Pearl "Ringo" kit from the mid 60's on my local classifieds and was wondering if you Ringo kit experts can help as to a fair offer.. I offered to trade my vintage Ludwig "orphans" drum kit made up of Rockers classic lug tom and kick, and super classic floor tom, plus some vintage Ludwig flat base hardware, plus a brand new DW 3000 single pedal, and, i know i'm gonna regret this, but my vintage Ludwig Downbeat piccolo circa 1966 in WMP, totally original except for snare bed, part of the throw-off, and heads, with some slight tiny cracking around on the wrap around the badge.. I offered the seller all this plus cash, (didn't give him an amount yet until he appraises my gear)

only for the 3 shells, and was wondering what you chaps thought i should offer in extra cash plus everything i've mentioned.. I've invested $800 in the kit, plus the value of my downbeat snare, plus hardware and pedal..

I'm assuming he'll ask for another $800 or more, but you never know.. And yes, I'm well aware of the value of these drums, even for just the 3 pc. and i know most of you will say i may need to fork up a lot more than that..

However, he's known to have great deals.. He's currently selling vintage 60's A Zildjians for $85 each with no keyholing or flea bites or cracks..He's a very fair with his used gear. I know it's a really, really, really, long shot on possibly getting this kit, but i thought i'd give it a shot, because sometimes, well, you just never know :)

Any thoughts and advice are appreciated !

Cheers,

Rob

Posted on 9 years ago
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Is he aware that "Ringo" sets go for more than most other wraps? If not then I'd offer him the going rate for the same sizes in any other wrap(s) based on what completed sales on ebay show. The average person will not be aware of the difference. If he's a vintage drum guy then that's a different story.

Depends on the sizes too. A 12/14/20 set will be worth more than a 13/16/22 (Ringo had two OBP sets in each of those configurations during the Beatles years). The 14" floor tom in OBP is the hardest one to find so that adds another dimension to the pricing.

Oyster Black was Ludwig's best seller for a few years so it is not an especially rare finish but that doesn't seem to matter as demand is high.

Actual dollar amounts I can't offer as I don't buy and sell that much.

Posted on 9 years ago
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From K.O.

Is he aware that "Ringo" sets go for more than most other wraps? If not then I'd offer him the going rate for the same sizes in any other wrap(s) based on what completed sales on ebay show. The average person will not be aware of the difference. If he's a vintage drum guy then that's a different story. Depends on the sizes too. A 12/14/20 set will be worth more than a 13/16/22 (Ringo had two OBP sets in each of those configurations during the Beatles years). The 14" floor tom in OBP is the hardest one to find so that adds another dimension to the pricing.Oyster Black was Ludwig's best seller for a few years so it is not an especially rare finish but that doesn't seem to matter as demand is high.Actual dollar amounts I can't offer as I don't buy and sell that much.

I know for sure that they're 13-16-22, and he's not a vintage drum guy, but he is a drummer and educator, so he may have an idea.

However, most drummers in my home town will not give him the value of the kit because they simply don't have the money to do so, unless they've got something worthwhile for trade and /or plus cash.. He contacted me by email pretty quickly, so i'm assuming he's curious..

I'm hoping to trade my gear, plus $500-600 is as high as i can afford., which would also put the entire trade off and money down at the going rate for more common vintage Ludwig kits as you mentioned.

It may seem unfair, then again unloading a seemingly unloadable drum set for less than what it's actually worth, based on demand in my town, is better than nothing. As i mentioned before, he's very fair and has plenty of great deals. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping for the best, but i'm also not getting too excited.

If he does accept my offer, than i think i've won the vintage drum lottery! On a side note, i had no idea that Ringo also had a 12-14-20 configuration.. I always thought he had several extra kits in 13-16-22. I just learned something new, thanks to you ;)

Thanks for your input KO !

Cheers,

Rob

Posted on 9 years ago
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While I would not suggest taking advantage of him if he doesn't know that OBP kits bring a premium then I wouldn't tell him. The seller bears some responsibility to educate themselves about what they are selling. I bought my first batch of OBP drums for $200 (12/13/16/20). That is what the seller wanted and I didn't argue.

FYI: Ringo's first kit (the one that was just sold for over $2mil) and the set he bought in early 1964 to play on the Ed Sullivan show and then use in A Hard Day's Night were both 12/14/20 sets. Later in 1964 he got his third OBP set which was 13/16/22 and sometime later got an additional touring set (#4) in those larger sizes. Most everything after late '64 was done on the #3 set with the exception of some touring where #4 was used. Sets #1 & 2 apparently went into storage (although #2 does pop up again to fall thru the floor in Help). So #3 probably saw the most use but #2 (Ed Sullivan set) might be the most iconic. Regardless of which set he was using Ringo always used the OBP Jazz Festival that came with the first set. That one drum is the KEY Beatles drum (Ringo still has it)

Here is #2 on display out in L.A. a couple years ago, including the #1 snare...with yours truly, sneaking a disallowed photo op.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEReH3M7CD8"]Ringo's Beatles Drums on display in L.A. 2014 - YouTube[/ame]

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Posted on 9 years ago
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From K.O.

While I would not suggest taking advantage of him if he doesn't know that OBP kits bring a premium then I wouldn't tell him. The seller bears some responsibility to educate themselves about what they are selling. I bought my first batch of OBP drums for $200 (12/13/16/20). That is what the seller wanted and I didn't argue.FYI: Ringo's first kit (the one that was just sold for over $2mil) and the set he bought in early 1964 to play on the Ed Sullivan show and then use in A Hard Day's Night were both 12/14/20 sets. Later in 1964 he got his third OBP set which was 13/16/22 and sometime later got an additional touring set (#4) in those larger sizes. Most everything after late '64 was done on the #3 set with the exception of some touring where #4 was used. Sets #1 & 2 apparently went into storage (although #2 does pop up again to fall thru the floor in Help). So #3 probably saw the most use but #2 (Ed Sullivan set) might be the most iconic. Regardless of which set he was using Ringo always used the OBP Jazz Festival that came with the first set. That one drum is the KEY Beatles drum (Ringo still has it)Here is #2 on display out in L.A. a couple years ago, including the #1 snare...with yours truly, sneaking a disallowed photo op.Ringo's Beatles Drums on display in L.A. 2014 - YouTube

That is way too cool ! Thanks for all your advice and help in this matter..Still waiting for the response on my offer..

Fingers crossed HmmmmHmmmm

Cheers,

Rob

Posted on 9 years ago
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