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Rogers Dayton Label Authenticity Question Last viewed: 1 hour ago

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I am trying to determine the authenticity of a Dayton era label on two blue onyx toms:

Maroon ink Dayton label

'Luxor' Crossed out in black marker

'Holiday' written in pencil above border on left top

Initials 'EW' in blue ink above border on right side (quality control inspector I gather)

Serial number in black ink (rather than maroon as seen on many Holiday labels that weren't Luxor labels crossed out)

Toms numbers are 16344 (12" tom) and 16468 (16" FT)

I noticed the border on some Rogers labels have poor printing on the corners such that the corners are sloppily done and don't meet perfectly, this one has very distinct corners with no sections of line missing

Does everything seem right here? Appreciate any insights from any Rogers experts out there -relative newby - any help very appreciated - thanks!

Rogers Dayton 12/16/20 Blue Onyx
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'69 Beverley Panorama 21 12/13/16/22 Rootbear Swirl
Snares:
1930s Sherman Clay and Co. Single Ply Birds Eye Maple
1949 WFL Contest Concert Model Duco
1955 Slingerland Student Radio King WMP
1965 Slingerland Hollywood Ace WMP
1968 Ludwig Acrolite
60s/70s A Zildjians
Posted on 10 years ago
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Hi CanuckDrumGuy,what you have described here certainly sounds like it could be an authentic Dayton era label, but some here will be able to help you much more with the addition of some pics of the tags.If you post the tag pics you shall have your answer.

Wayne

1967 Rogers Cleveland Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1967/68 Rogers Dayton Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1966 Rogers cob 7 Line Dynasonic Snare.
1967 Rogers "Humberto Morales" Timbales.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge 14x 6.5 Black Beauty Snare.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge Red Cortex
22,22,18,16,15,14,13.
1988 Sonor "Horst Link" HLD 590 14x8 Bronze Snare
Posted on 10 years ago
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FW...,Frank Walters,lug assemblyman.I'm thinking that he must have been a kind of unofficial Quality Control set of eyes that initialed the tags befor the heads and hoops were installed.I have his initials on several of my own.Tags were not wasted just because of preprinted models. Many inked out and penciled in with the new model shell.Kind of personal and cool...

Posted on 10 years ago
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We are all gonna be pretty much screwed if some jack leg starts forging paper tags.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 10 years ago
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From The Ploughman

We are all gonna be pretty much screwed if some jack leg starts forging paper tags.

There was already some on ebay I saw over the summer. They looked very good too. Same paper and ink color looked spot on.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 10 years ago
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From FFR428

There was already some on ebay I saw over the summer. They looked very good too. Same paper and ink color looked spot on.

Glenn,

How do we know they were forgeries? Any tell-tale signs?

Regarding the Luxor labels described in the opening post, from the details like "Luxor" crossed out and the handwritten initials, they sound legitimate and factory original, except that I've never seen a Luxor label in the 16xxx range. What year would these have been used?

Mike

-No Guru... still learning more every day-
Posted on 10 years ago
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From mchair303

Glenn,How do we know they were forgeries? Any tell-tale signs?Regarding the Luxor labels described in the opening post, from the details like "Luxor" crossed out and the handwritten initials, they sound legitimate and factory original, except that I've never seen a Luxor label in the 16xxx range. What year would these have been used?Mike

Mike,

The Ad stated they were reproductions. From the pictures I saw they looked very good. But without having one in hand it's hard for me to say just how close they were. I don't know if they were done offset or digital. These were the "Holiday" labels but don't remember if they were Cleveland, Dayton or Fullerton. Or if the numbers changed. I was on ebay looking for parts and came across the auction. I'll see if I can find more info. At the time I did not pay much attention to them.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 10 years ago
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Mike I did a little digging. Came up with a old auction (2013 was later than I thought) but the pictures are long gone. But I did find one of them in a google image search. The auction I remembered had several labels (3 I think) for sale.

Link did not show but here's the old item # still comes up 271191896063

I had to take a pic of the label off my screen. I'm unable to right click and save pics off some sites. So it's not as clear as the original.

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Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 10 years ago
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With the quality of color printers today, making a nice copy is easy.

As far as the original poster's questions, why would somebody make a fake Luxor label, only to cross it out? Those are legit, the numbers are high, but I have a couple of Luxors with numbers in the 14-15,000 range. They kept using Luxor tags for cross-outs even after they stopped building that model after the move to Ca.

I suspect the toms we're talking about have speckled paint inside....

By the way, I have never seen a Luxor label from Dayton, only Cleveland. If possible, please post pix of these labels as that would be something interesting.

Posted on 10 years ago
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