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Many years ago I picked up what I believe to be a 5x14 Ludwig COB snare. It has the pre-serial keystone badge, triple-flanged chrome rims, ten (old style) Imperial lugs, Ludwig P-83 strainer, Ludwig P-32 snare butt, Ludwig red felt baseball bat muffler and original Ludwig snare wires (18).

I'm hoping that one of you Luddy experts can tell me if this one was catalogued as Ludwig's "Super Ludwig 400" or "Supra-Phonic 400". The drum weighs in excess of 9 pounds.

The only cosmetic "flaws" on the shell are two minor dents -- one on the center bead below and to the left of the keysstone badge and the other on the lower section of the shell, one panel to the left of the snare butt. The latter can only be noticed when viewing the drum for certain angles. If it wasn't pointed out, you probably wouldn't even notice it.

I'm attaching some pics (5 with this post and 4 in a follow-on post) of the exterior and interior of the drum, the drum on a scale, and the minor cosmetic "flaws", hoping that you can confirm the fact that it is, indeed, a COB snare. I'd also like confirmation of the correct model. The pics with the drum on the antique scale is a tad misleading as the scale shows one pound without anything placed on it. The final two pics you'll see show the two cosmetic "flaws" I mentioned above.

Anyway......I "may" have an opportunity to pick up a kit that I've been searching for for quite a while. I'll know for sure by the week-end when I hope to have the opportunity to view it in person. In order to help fund the purchase of the kit, should I decide to buy it, I'm considering selling this snare. The problem I've got is that when I check recently sold COB Luddy snares the prices seem to be all over the place. I mean really all over the place! Although I'd like to avoid e-Bay, if at all possible, I'm wondering if that might be the best route to take, simply because of the larger pool of prospective buyers there. Any "guestimates" regarding the value of my particular snare would also be greatly appreciated.

I'd like to know what you would decide if you were in my position. Obviously, if the kit purchase doesn't work out, I won't have the need to make a decision on the snare.

Any and all "words of wisdom" regarding this situation would be greatly appreciated. THANKS in advance for your time and your help.

Posted on 11 years ago
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If it is a true COB, you will be able to see the weld seam on the interior. The "weight" seems to be correct, but the COB hoops add a little more weight than you would expect.

I purchased one off a member here around 2 months ago, and gave $650. I understand what you stated as the prices are ALL OVER the place right now.

Nevin

Posted on 11 years ago
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The old (1920s-30s) two piece COB shells had the welded seam, but I believe that the COB Supras were one piece and therefore have no seam. Judging from the lugs, the weight, the look of the interior and the way it dented, my guess is that it's COB...and beautiful.

Posted on 11 years ago
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With that weight, you would think, it's got to be a COB shell? My 1970s 5x14" LM400 with HD Die Cast Hoops only tips the scale at 8.1 LBS and I would say they are quite a bit heavier than COB 1960s triple flange hoops. Does anyone really know what the shell material was in 1959-1960? The catalog states brass but who knows what the final shell material ended up being for those early years...Do you have to sell it to get the new kit?

Posted on 11 years ago
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From GG Vintage

The old (1920s-30s) two piece COB shells had the welded seam, but I believe that the COB Supras were one piece and therefore have no seam. Judging from the lugs, the weight, the look of the interior and the way it dented, my guess is that it's COB...and beautiful.

The '59/60 to '63 "Supers" were welded and had a seam. A picture of the interior seam would confirm yours to me OldSchool. Yours looks to be in pretty good shape and I could see you getting $650 for yours.

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Posted on 11 years ago
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From mendozart

The '59/60 to '63 "Supers" were welded and had a seam. A picture of the interior seam would confirm yours to me OldSchool. Yours looks to be in pretty good shape and I could see you getting $650 for yours.

Attached are some pics of the interior shell that I just took indoors. The shell is shown from four different angles. I've also got some that I took outside. If you'd need to see those, please let me know and I'll also post them.

Thanks!

Posted on 11 years ago
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From GG Vintage

The old (1920s-30s) two piece COB shells had the welded seam, but I believe that the COB Supras were one piece and therefore have no seam. Judging from the lugs, the weight, the look of the interior and the way it dented, my guess is that it's COB...and beautiful.

The "seam" I am asking about is a vertical weld. It will be visible. The COB supra's will also have rolled bearing edges, unlike the Ludaloy shelled supra's. Hard to explain, but with it beside a Ludaloy you can get a better understanding. The COB seems to also have a "duller" chrome effect....again, can tell next to a Ludaloy.

Nevin

Posted on 11 years ago
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From surface

The "seam" I am asking about is a vertical weld.Nevin

Ah yes, of course, I misunderstood your statement...you're right.

Posted on 11 years ago
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From Slingalud

With that weight, you would think, it's got to be a COB shell? My 1970s 5x14" LM400 with HD Die Cast Hoops only tips the scale at 8.1 LBS and I would say they are quite a bit heavier than COB 1960s triple flange hoops. Does anyone really know what the shell material was in 1959-1960? The catalog states brass but who knows what the final shell material ended up being for those early years...Do you have to sell it to get the new kit?

Don't "have" to sell it. l However, since it's not being used I thought it might be a good candidate.

Posted on 11 years ago
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From OldSchool

Don't "have" to sell it. l However, since it's not being used I thought it might be a good candidate.

It's in such beautiful condition but if it's not being used then I bet someone would love to have it as their primary...

Posted on 11 years ago
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