He is mistaken. it still means what it always did. 01-02-03-04 that is consecutive !

Hi VM2000!

Yeah, this is exactly what I thought, but just wanted to be sure that this seemingly simple definition hasn't changed over the decades!

Mark

Consecutive is 32,111 32,112 32,113 etc.

Sometimes the numbers can be 'close', like all within a few hundred of each other.

In his case, that's what he might have.

Nice looking drums that should sell themselves. There is no need to try to make them look better by claiming they have consecutive numbers when they don't. It just makes me question the rest of the information provided and want to look harder at the pictures to make sure I am not missing anything. Of course, I always wonder what I am not being told in an ebay listing.

I didn't bother to look at the auction but in the seller's defense (somewhat) it was extremely rare for drum sets of that era to have consecutive badge numbers since they were grabbed from bins and applied more or less randomly. So badges that are merely somewhat close can still indicate a factory born kit.

Although, consecutive still means one after another so he is wrong to state that they are "consecutive".

This is my whole point! Why state they have consecutive serial numbers when they don't. The kit will sell on its own merits, so there is no need to mention the serial numbers. It's good that each badge is pictured, so that you can see that it is a factory matched kit. I guess what bothered me the most is that he basically laughed at me for saying they are not consecutive numbered and that the "vintage drum community" would consider them consecutive.

Since the seller is a VDF member and responded to another post about the kit, I would think he would mention about the serial numbers... but didn't.

OK, this is the last I'm going to let this bother me. Thanks for letting me air my gripes about it!

Some sellers are attempting to bend buyers to thier wiil,buy attempting to either redifine out out right use confusing or evasive and dishonest langauge in their listings.

There was,and probably still is a citrus mod rewrap 71 jazzfestival on evilbay.

The seller claims that the wrap was from a 16x16 floor tom,that had black panther wrap ,over the citrus mod.He attenpted to remove the black panther wrap ,damaging the citrus mod in the process.

He then claims to have sent an original 71 jazz festival and the said floor tom to Jack Latton from rewraping the jazz fest,and removing the citrus mod from the floor tom to do so.

He cleverly posted the wrong dimentions of the depth of the drums so he could relist it if he didn't get the outrageous asking price,he could claim the listing was innacurate,and cancel the auction,and relist the drum.

His claim is that although,he tells the history of his drum,that it's still original because he used all Ludwig parts in his creation,right down to the Ludwig replacement grommet.

So his drum might be considered a rewrap he says,but it's all original,hence the sky high asking price.

My take here is that the original drum,was stripped of it's original wrap,and although rewrapped in a vintage correct Ludwig wrap....it's still a rewrap,and NOT all original.

It's not like replacing a stripped screw or lug.He replaced what was meant to be a premenant part of that drum,and replaced it with something else.

What say you VDF?

Steve B

Hey Steve!

This topic was touch upon extensively in recent posts. Even the seller joined in to state his position on the matter. VDF members were certainly not unanimous on the view of "original"! My take, as is yours, is that once you remove the "original" wrap, that drum is no longer original...Period...end of story! It's a fine drum in its own right, but not worth the asking price by the seller. I've seen it listed multiple times and not sure if it has sold.

Mark

Wow..

I'm sorry I missed that.I know the seller logged on the DFO a while ago,and got into it with Bun E.Carlos,myself and a few others as he was insulting (especially to Bun) and rude.

I chose to defend Bun,so I became a target for his venom as well.

He was banned a short time later,and it couldn't have happened to a nicer guyToilet

Thanks for the reply Mark,I concur.

Steve B