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Camco drums are rare,... but how rare? Last viewed: 7 hours ago

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You know, it's odd. In the early days of drum collecting (1980's), Camco were as rare as today, but didn't command prices higher than Ludwig, Slingerland and Rogers kits. For some reason, Gretsch was the holy grail then, as now, to many. I doubt that Gretsch or Camco were running 3 shifts during the "Beat Craze" of the 60's.

The first kit I ever heard live in 1958 was Premier; the first kit I ever played in 1964 was Gretsch. The kit that impressed me most was a Camco kit I heard in 1965.

It's kinda like the old ****s with gray ponytails buying Harleys these days rather than the relatively unknown Moto Guzzi or Norton, or even Matchless. Not much was known about them by those in the market trying to capture what they remembered.

Nowadays, Camco are sought by some collectors only for their rarity..........a few of us remember or have recently come to appreciate the great sound and the differences in the various eras of Camco.

For you collectors, go for the gold. For you players, go for the tone.

Posted on 11 years ago
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From Stallwart

For you collectors, go for the gold. For you players, go for the tone.

I'm actually both! I play ALL my drums as i collect for tone and condition but I only collect drums in original condition. I have no interest in owning re wrapped drums with filled holes, etc.

1957 George Way BDP 26" concert bass drum
1959 George Way BDP 22/12/16 w/ 5.5x14
1959 George Way Green Sparkle 22/12/16 w/5.5x14
1961 George Way Blue Sparkle 20/12/15
1961 George Way Jelly Bean 20/12/14 w/4.5x14
1960’s Camco Oaklawn Champagne 20/12/14/16w/5x14
1971-73 Camco Chanute Walnut 24/14/18 w/5x14 COB
Posted on 11 years ago
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"Our shell is a very close duplicate of the original Camco drum shell. It's an exact duplicate in terms of shell construction, counterhoop thickness and dimensions. The outside diameter is slightly larger than what the original Camco shells were because we don't account for using a plastic or synthetic to cover the shell."

Don Lombardi; MD Magazine 12/82

Two points here:

1) I stand corrected.

2) Despite their good intentions, they were not able to re-create the Camco sound.

Never play it the same way once.
Posted on 11 years ago
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From orangemi

"Our shell is a very close duplicate of the original Camco drum shell. It's an exact duplicate in terms of shell construction, counterhoop thickness and dimensions. The outside diameter is slightly larger than what the original Camco shells were because we don't account for using a plastic or synthetic to cover the shell."Don Lombardi; MD Magazine 12/82Two points here:1) I stand corrected.2) Despite their good intentions, they were not able to re-create the Camco sound.

Of course they meant LA Camco shells as they are indeed a different animal from George Way, Oaklawn and Chanute.

1957 George Way BDP 26" concert bass drum
1959 George Way BDP 22/12/16 w/ 5.5x14
1959 George Way Green Sparkle 22/12/16 w/5.5x14
1961 George Way Blue Sparkle 20/12/15
1961 George Way Jelly Bean 20/12/14 w/4.5x14
1960’s Camco Oaklawn Champagne 20/12/14/16w/5x14
1971-73 Camco Chanute Walnut 24/14/18 w/5x14 COB
Posted on 11 years ago
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Steve! You wrote: I have no interest in owning re wrapped drums with filled holes, etc.

Did you sell the tangerine round badge kit? I thought you really liked that one... it was the kit that motivated me to tackle the restoration of the late 50's kit I found. Sorry to hear you're so down on rewrapped kits. There are some really nice rewraps out there including my 50's RB kit and my Oaklawn orphans. I really love, appreciate and play them all. Not many peeps could ever tell they were rewrapped. Just really nice old drums.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 11 years ago
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From Purdie Shuffle

Steve! You wrote: I have no interest in owning re wrapped drums with filled holes, etc.Did you sell the tangerine round badge kit? I thought you really liked that one... it was the kit that motivated me to tackle the restoration of the late 50's kit I found. Sorry to hear you're so down on rewrapped kits. There are some really nice rewraps out there including my 50's RB kit and my Oaklawn orphans. I really love, appreciate and play them all. Not many peeps could ever tell they were rewrapped. Just really nice old drums.John

That kit has a lot of history and needed to be brought back to original or as close as possible. But that's the only reason I did it and am proud to own it. If it were simply a 60's Gretsch kit in poor condition I never would've done it.

Out of 35 snare drums and 12 drum kits I own the Gretsch kit you mentioned is a rewrap, one George Way 12" tom that is a rewrap (until I find an original one) and I own one George Way snare drum that had 22 extra holes and needed a new lacquer paint job. I rescued it because at the time I only had 2 GW snare drums in my collection. Tone wise it's different from all my other GWs and it's my favorite which is why I won't part with that one but if I find one in original condition with the same tone, it's history!

I've had my share of rewraps in the past but I alWAYs end up selling them as they just seem unappealing to me in the long run. One of the best sounding kits I ever owned was a 40's Gretsch kit 24/13/16 but it was a rewrap in green marine pearl or green diamond pearl or whatever they called it pearl. I ended up trading it plus $100 for my Chanute Camco kit in walnut 24/14/18 that is 100% original! So although I go for tone first, looks second. The looks still have to be original!

Finding Camco drums in unmolested original condition is not easy. I've been blessed as I've had 3 kits that WAY, 2 of them I still own. However there is one extra hole under the L-Arm bracket on the bass drum of my burgundy sparkle Oaklawn kit. You can't see it but it bugs the crap out of me that it's there!

1957 George Way BDP 26" concert bass drum
1959 George Way BDP 22/12/16 w/ 5.5x14
1959 George Way Green Sparkle 22/12/16 w/5.5x14
1961 George Way Blue Sparkle 20/12/15
1961 George Way Jelly Bean 20/12/14 w/4.5x14
1960’s Camco Oaklawn Champagne 20/12/14/16w/5x14
1971-73 Camco Chanute Walnut 24/14/18 w/5x14 COB
Posted on 11 years ago
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I'll just add a little postscript to this lively exchange.

The claim about them being a preferred studio kit isn't that fanciful - obviously there's a lot of studios around the world but having been in a quite a few of them in different countries (I've lived in four different countries and been in studios in a lot more) it's interesting how often a Camco shows up - and how unusual that is given how few of these kits ever made it out of the US.

The old 301 in Sydney, Australia had one, Sweet Silence in Copenhagen, Denmark had a PJ which was a essentially a local put-together of Camco parts and shells acquired just as Camco's LA operation was winding up, Drumyard, one of the UK's premier studio equipment hire outfits always had a couple of Camco kits high up their list of kits for hire and most London studios hire in rather than have "house kits".

Then there's the number of key session players who've used them - Jim Gordon, Jeff Porcaro (on occasions), Russ Kunkel (at least for a while, I believe) in the UK Dave Mattacks (who was doing an awful lot of sessions there), Warren Daley in Australia and probably a significant names I've missed in Europe (I remember seeing Daniel Humair on Camcos at one point).

On the export front, I believe from observation and conversation that there was virtually nothing before the LA period. Speaking to a few non-US Camco enthusiasts, one of them being former-Argent and current Kinks drummer, Bob Henrit, who also wrote for Britain's premier music instrument magazine during the 1970s and was a big old Camco cheerleader, it seems the European agency was based in Belgium (which is presumably why Stedi's seeing more than the European average), the Brit one was in Bristol (and more Camco kits show up around Bristol as a result).

Here's a relatively recent article by Henrit - the few factual errors aside, it's an interesting piece. http://www.mikedolbear.co.uk/story.asp?StoryID=2380

No idea who imported them to Australia, where I grew up, but I heard about them from other, older drummers before I ever saw one up close. In about 1976 in one of the best Sydney shops, Harry Landis, I saw an LA kit in an orange-y/red translucent lacquer which I've never seen catalogued or even seen an example of since - 12, 13, 16, 22 and matching wood snare. I was fascinated by the colour and how flimsy I thought the stands and fittings were.

I found a COB in a pawn shop a few years later, which got me started, and then got offered a large size LA (13, 14, 18, 24) in seriously scratched up Alice Cooper White by my drum teacher. I never went back. I've seen a few kits around and have even recommended them to some of my contemporaries but they're still like hen's teeth.

The "which sounds better" argument is circuitous but the one point I will make is the bearing edges on Camcos (regardless of manufacture location) have, in my experience, all been impeccable - without many of the "variable" manufacture quirks you see on some of the other "classic" brands - and I think that's part of the secret.

I've sometimes been sloppy, just chucked some heads on at the last minute before a practice or show, roughly tensioned them just to get started and...boom, not a lot else to do (OK, a bit, but you get my drift).

In short, Camcos are ready to roll under almost any tuning circumstances - if that's due to the edges, the shells or the rims or (probably more likely) all three, then it's working.

Posted on 11 years ago
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This thread is starting to gather some great input.

From Antipodes

it seems the European agency was based in Belgium (which is presumably why Stedi's seeing more than the European average).

The European importer for LA Camcos was indeed located in Belgium.

It was Rudy' Music Shop in Sint-kiklaas close to Antwerp. The shop went bust already more than 20 years ago.

I wouldn't overestimate the number of LA Camco drums showing up over here.

In 3 years, I came across 3 sets,... that's it !

The few Oaklawn and Chanute period drums to be found over here in Europe are recent imports and go for crazy money.

Posted on 11 years ago
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Presumably at least part of the reason Rudy went bust.....

Posted on 11 years ago
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From DolFan54

Of course they meant LA Camco shells as they are indeed a different animal from George Way, Oaklawn and Chanute.

And they smelled like Rogers shells...

Never play it the same way once.
Posted on 11 years ago
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