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Cleaning my SBP Ludwigshafen and I'm getting close to the bass drum and while looking at it I see this label on the bottom. Is the an original Ludwig order label?

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1965 Ludwig Super Classic WMP (22-13-16)
1965 Club Date/Downbeat Combo Blue Sparkle
Cleveland Rogers COB Powertone snare
1965 Ludwig Supra Snare
Posted on 12 years ago
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It looks like a garage sale sticker. Just kidding. What is it on? What are those rivets and rust? Was Ludwig the only manufacturer to rivet wraps on. Genius. I bought a 20" 70's Ludwig bass once. I thought the dude that owned it put the rivets on the wrap. WTF were they thinking. Why not just bolt them on? Oy.

Sorry, I didn't answer your question and for diddling Ludwig.

B

PS - Good luck and post the after-pics.

Vintage Drum Fan (Not a Guru)
Posted on 12 years ago
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Yup, Ludwig did that. There are several threads on here about that. This whole kit has rivets on the wrap seams, factory original is factory original. The sticker looks like a Ludwig order sticker and I believe the date is there somewhere, 79? Next question how does one become a "Drum Guru"?

LoLoLoLo

1965 Ludwig Super Classic WMP (22-13-16)
1965 Club Date/Downbeat Combo Blue Sparkle
Cleveland Rogers COB Powertone snare
1965 Ludwig Supra Snare
Posted on 12 years ago
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From Rockiezz

Yup, Ludwig did that. There are several threads on here about that. This whole kit has rivets on the wrap seams, factory original is factory original. The sticker looks like a Ludwig order sticker and I believe the date is there somewhere, 79? Next question how does one become a "Drum Guru"?LoLoLoLo

Ha, haaaaa!!! "Drum guru". You tell me? It's more about post numbers than guru-ship, really. I readily admit I am not one. I know a little, obtained in the 39 years I've been playing. Mostly about Gretsch. I've been a member since '07 and I've only managed to post a little over 1,000 times (to me, that's a bit much, for me). You gotta' check out the real "Gurus" that post many thousands of times. Some in a way shorter period than I. Who's got that kind of time?

Back to the rivets. I wonder who pitched the idea to manufacturing. I also wonder about the point guy that said, "Go with it". Too funny, but I suppose all the mfg's had their quirky moments.

B

Vintage Drum Fan (Not a Guru)
Posted on 12 years ago
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As per the Ludwig book I think the EPA was coming down on Ludwig on their wrap glue. Therefor the rivets on the seam. Yes, I also would like to be a guru!!

:)

Ludwig old school
Posted on 12 years ago
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From Bondo

As per the Ludwig book I think the EPA was coming down on Ludwig on their wrap glue. Therefor the rivets on the seam. Yes, I also would like to be a guru!! :)

Post away! You'll be there in no time.

Vintage Drum Fan (Not a Guru)
Posted on 12 years ago
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Here's the skinny on these freaking rivets,The Ludwig factory is in my back yard, been there many times, personally know the plant manager, This is the story from both Steve Cotton plant manager, and Dick Gerlach. Plant VP. First off this moronic move is what almost put ludwig out of business due to the lifetime warranty. The Rivets were to replace several production steps, by replacing the glue and curing process. By one of Ludwig's engineers and book keeping, But as history has shown that wasn't the case, A metal rivet countersunk in a wood vibrating structure is/was not a good idea. Seriously the two top Ludwig personnel still to this day is not a funny matter to them. And the resale value of these very drums still bares this out. Not one of Ludwig better Ideas that is for sure.

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 12 years ago
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From vintagemore2000

Here's the skinny on these freaking rivets,The Ludwig factory is in my back yard, been there many times, personally know the plant manager, This is the story from both Steve Cotton plant manager, and Dick Gerlach. Plant VP. First off this moronic move is what almost put ludwig out of business due to the lifetime warranty. The Rivets were to replace several production steps, by replacing the glue and curing process. By one of Ludwig's engineers and book keeping, But as history has shown that wasn't the case, A metal rivet countersunk in a wood vibrating structure is/was not a good idea. Seriously the two top Ludwig personnel still to this day is not a funny matter to them. And the resale value of these very drums still bares this out. Not one of Ludwig better Ideas that is for sure.

The riveted seem idea was great business for us at drum shop, we did 100's of re-wraps of these drums..It was Ludwig's dumbest ideas to this day...Mikey

Posted on 12 years ago
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I've come to the conclusion that this is a Ludwig order sticker. The date of 3011-79 = 11/30/1979 as far as I can tell. Has anybody else seen this type of sticker?

1965 Ludwig Super Classic WMP (22-13-16)
1965 Club Date/Downbeat Combo Blue Sparkle
Cleveland Rogers COB Powertone snare
1965 Ludwig Supra Snare
Posted on 12 years ago
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From Rockiezz

Next question how does one become a "Drum Guru"?LoLoLoLo

Throw your bass guitar out the window!

Posted on 12 years ago
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