Why?

Why would you still be thinking you were getting a drum with no confirmation 3 days later....??

As I stated before, as a seller, I would be contacting buyers to get their money by then........

Show us where it says he sold them locally. If you can't, just sit on the short bus and wait for you ride. Stirring the s..t with mis-information does nothing and I defy you to post any message where I was *****ing. I think I PM'd 2 other members who showed interest in Mikey's original post and asked if they had heard anything. Funny thing in those pm's you never mentioned the local sale.

Ah yes Kevin, I remember buying a cymbal from you. Paypal gift? Don't ship untill paypal deposits the money into your account? Same guy right?

I don't know you at all. I do know John Velez. I could call John out out on a few things. So MickM. You call Mikey out simply because you didn't get a response to your emails??? then that moron crack reporter writes his tripe. Seriously you and John Velez need to grow up. Get over it you missed out simple as that!!! Mikey was co owner of OCPD a major drum company, he knows thousands of us drummers, he lives in southern California he has a very wide based selling area and group of people he sales to. He is also a member of other forums that I am also on, and in fact did place ads on those forums to,As he stated. So back to your statement, Johns post and yours do and did make a very loud accusation. Mikey has done nothing wrong here period. I have looked for various drums for 12 to 20 years to complete kits I have, it's part of the game of collecting.

Is there something wrong with that?

You sure didn't have to pay unless you wanted to.

I remember you b****ing about that at the time, and being very closed minded about seeing it any other way than the way you wanted to.

It meant a whopping 3 day difference in the shipping date, as I recall.

This thread surprises me less and less now.

Mick, maybe you should stick to face-to-face deals in the future.... YOU seem to be the common denominator in YOUR online shopping "problems".

Is there something wrong with that? Try reading the second post from our webmaster.http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=13295

Never really had a problem with anybody here, in fact I had no problem with you untill you started flapping your gums and not paying attention to what started the "bad" part of this thread. BTW I have 100% positive feedback on ebay too.

That's a choice not a requirement............

He's giving fair warning that if one chooses to use the Gift Option that PayPal protection would not apply.

And, if that meant so much to you, why did you do it anyway?

You are becoming an increasingly transparent and larger mass of convoluted rationalizations as we go along this path.

Are you sure you wish to continue? :)

Guys, guys, guys!!!!! SIGH.

Ya know, I really should peruse the FOR SALE section more than I do! Currently.. ( and in the past ) .. it seems to be where ALL the action is. Good grief. Anyway...

Gonna CLOSE this thread as it has entered diatribe territory, and whilst certainly entertaining.. it's not where any of us really want to be, yes? No? That said...

I've always maintained that I would make a LOUSY judge as I pretty much always see BOTH SIDES, with each side making excellent arguments. Course, we have been down THIS particular road before. I shall make the attempt to ferret out the what's what which may lead to a happy conclusion... or not. Impossible to say at this juncture. For the time being though.. PLEASE .. use PM's or "try" to handle this off site. Let me see what and/or if I can do anything to help. In the interim... BEST to all of you! I'll get the lights...

Tommyp