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I wanted to know anyone has used Moon gel on the res side of a snare? I did some reading about it, and it is suppose to cut down on snare buzz, both from the snare and other instruments while playing live. some say you can use it on the batter head but I would think that would effect the overall tone but not so much the snare wires buzzing. Plus does MG work upside down>?LOLHmmmm

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Posted on 12 years ago
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yes it will say put upside down. also you can cut it down with a pair of scissors to the exact amount you'll need for the sound your after.

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Moongel on the reso? Better off playing a cardboard box! This is the solution:

http://www.puresoundpercussion.com/PSPProductDetails.Page?AxPageID=6211&mode=0&productid=11&ActiveID=4896&productname=Equalizer_Series

I'm on my third set. I have them on three of my snares. They work! Eliminates sympathetic snare buzz effectively without killing the 'tone' of the drum like Moongel would. Moongel is a -muffler- you never want to muffle the snare reso head. The free vibration of the head and the snares is what makes the drum sound so good. You'll dry the sound of the drum out badly if you add Moongel to the reso. These split-snares do the trick. I played gigs with a Blues band, guitars, bass, keyboard, sax, harp, and never a buzz out of my snares since I switched to the new Puresounds. Try them, rather than killing the tone of your snare drum with moongel.

John

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Thanks Purdie for the Equalizer wires feedback!! I have never used them before...I was going to start a thread to see any comments about them...You answered my question...Thanks!!

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Posted on 12 years ago
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I've heard of these also, although I never understand the concept on the split wires, I guess in some magical way it works, I'll try em. I do like the 42 strand wires though on a few of my snares, killer sound. any tricks for those wide wires?

Lots of Slingerland drums
70's Pearl Fiberglass Ivory
Posted on 12 years ago
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From slingerland

I've heard of these also, although I never understand the concept on the split wires, I guess in some magical way it works, I'll try em. I do like the 42 strand wires though on a few of my snares, killer sound. any tricks for those wide wires?

Gary,

The deal with the equalizers is that it gets the snare wires off the center of the head which does reduce the sympathetic vibrations inherent in the drum. It occurs to me that you have mentioned being concerned about sympathetic vibration a few times. Maybe having 42 strands of wire is not really a good thing for you. Some drums do not have side enough snare beds to accommodate the wider snare sets which could also be a problem.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 12 years ago
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...as to Moon Gel, I always keep some around whenever A LITTLE dampening is required. I would not put it on a snare resonant head for the same reason Purdie mentioned.

If you just want to try some muffling, start off with gaffer's tape if you have it of have access to it. If you don't then duck tape will work, but it is messy and heavier in comparison. Try making a little loop out of it and move that around the head to see what you get. You can then try a larger loop. Some guys will just stick a little pice flat on the head. If you need a little more than a flat piece will give you, you can "accordion" the tape to add some weight to it like the attached photo. This is a great way to experiment without the expense of Moon Gel. If you are borderline OCD like me, then you can swap to Moon Gel if you liked the results. Keep in mind that what worked in one room may not work in another acoustic situation.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 12 years ago
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SCOTT

that pic looks interesting, where can I get this stuff? my concern with snare buzz was not the type associated with sympathic buzz, but more its the buzz just coming from the snare itself, I'm still messing with some of the tuning tips you and others gave me, the wide wires I just got in, trying it on one snare first...........so does Moongel do the same thing the stuff in the pic does? when I have the wires loose enough to get some decent snare repsonse, I get that annoying after buzz I'm talking about, then when I tighten the wires, it gets choked, trying to find the happy medium.

Lots of Slingerland drums
70's Pearl Fiberglass Ivory
Posted on 12 years ago
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From slingerland

SCOTTthat pic looks interesting, where can I get this stuff? my concern with snare buzz was not the type associated with sympathic buzz, but more its the buzz just coming from the snare itself, I'm still messing with some of the tuning tips you and others gave me, the wide wires I just got in, trying it on one snare first...........so does Moongel do the same thing the stuff in the pic does? when I have the wires loose enough to get some decent snare repsonse, I get that annoying after buzz I'm talking about, then when I tighten the wires, it gets choked, trying to find the happy medium.

Gary,

Good morning! The picture simply depicts how to "accordion" tape. Gaffer's tape is great for this kind of thing but duck tape will work as well. Gaffer's tape is used in the film and live event industry. It is a cloth tape, realitively thin and does not leave nearly as much residue as duck tape. It's primary feature is that it has a matte, non-reflective finish which is critical. It is also expensive as a standard roll that is 2" wide can run anywhere from $10.00-$18.00 a roll. So, I suggest duck tape to experemint with. :-)

As to that annoying buzz, much with tuning drums has to do with trial and error. I think I would not mess with the 42 strand snare wires as that is just 26 or so extra wires to exacerbate your issue. A lot of times the culprit in your scenario is a loose wire or two (or three, or four). When you tighten the majority of the wires where the drum sounds like you like it, the errant strands are still loose causing unwanted vibration. You tighten up the snares to get the loose ones in line and the others now choke the drum. When this happens you are seldom aware that this is the issue. You just end up wondering why you go from too loose to choked without ever hitting a happy medium.

I suppose I would suggest less wires and don't skimp. I know there is a vast difference in the price between generic snare wires and something like Puresound, but you do get what you pay for. At some point, not having the frustration you are having would be worth something. Don't get me wrong, I have put cheaper wires on drums and they have been fine and I am sure there will be plenty if guys here that will tell you the same. I have never had an issue with Puresound wires. Plus, my clients look and see Puresound wires, then they just assume you have done everything to try and make the drum sound good. it scores valuable points for me.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 12 years ago
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