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Good point. If i only had a brain! I'm going to have to think on that one. All I can come up with now, taking into consideration the fluctuation of money values all over the world, is that to include all those countries would be insurmountable. i would think that buyers in other countries are used to translating American prices into local currency, and adjusting for taxes, shipping, etc. Good question.

From calfskin

Once musical instruments become collectible, they usually attain higher values in a certain circle of collectibility. For instance, I would think that Premier drums command much more interest in Britain ,than in North America. Cars are pretty much locked into a market situation, in a specific country,state or in my case province, due to import restrictions based on safety equipment,transport dept. standards etc., so a BB works within that confined market. How do you propose to accomodate the fact that drums have international fluidity ,can move across borders pretty easily and all of a sudden a Capelle snaredrum has lost 1/2 it's value ,according to a book because it ended up in Nebraska?

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Posted on 12 years ago
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From George Lawrence

i would think that buyers in other countries are used to translating American prices into local currency, and adjusting for taxes, shipping, etc. Good question.

That's very true: customs, VAT especially.

Shipping is not so crucial in calculation, as shipping prices are +/- fixed.

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Posted on 12 years ago
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From George Lawrence

Good point. If i only had a brain! I'm going to have to think on that one. All I can come up with now, taking into consideration the fluctuation of money values all over the world, is that to include all those countries would be insurmountable. i would think that buyers in other countries are used to translating American prices into local currency, and adjusting for taxes, shipping, etc. Good question.

The question wasn't so much a currency exchange question(which is relavent) but a comment that the proposed BB will likely not have any value outside of the U.S. because it will reflect the feelings Americans have about drums,not their true value. Those in Holland ,who grew up playing Concorde or King's drums(both actually mfg. in Germany) might have very strong feelings about their early kits .Someone from Maine might have very strong feelings about their early Kent kit. Which do you think would end up with a higher monetary profile in the proposed book, since 99% of American drummers have never heard of Concorde or King's drums?

The book only makes sense, if it is detailed to a specific market , so what you are describing is An American Blue Book of Drums; not A Blue Book of Drums.

Posted on 12 years ago
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George;

This is magnificent! The only thing I ask is to make the amounts fluid, to support changing price ranges, etc...

I used to own an antique clock shop where folks would come in, see something similar to the picture in the 'Price Guide' clutched in their grubby paws, and howl bloody murder because my price was three times higher.

Of course, they ignored the fact that the book was published five years previous, and I would have gladly purchased a boat load of same for what the 'book' said it was worth.

Anomaly's: So, do you toss the price of the 'played by Ringo BDP Ludwig'? It would skew the whole BDP thing.

Also, I've seen price guides come out before that mostly deal in rare drums... those are fairly worthless IMHO. Yes, it's always interesting to see what a Gladstone snare sells for, but maybe relegate this information in the rare and expensive section.

I didn't read all the posts, but I will spout off my opinion of eBay: It must be included... It is a giant force in price setting. Like it or not, it's there, and seems like it will continue to be. Should you use the asking price? Nope... but the sales price, yes.

I'm excited to see this work. Thanks for your effort!

fishwaltz
Posted on 12 years ago
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cool. thanks. Grey rockers rule!

From longjohn

Nothing to do with the Post...I've been a "POCO" fan for 3/4 of My Life...Cheers

Posted on 12 years ago
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I am planning on including every brand made, because the site will be international. I think Ebay has kind of equalized the geographical differences more than pre internet. I have sold vintage drums to every part of the world and the prices remain pretty consistent from country to country. I don't think a collector in Maine will pay any more for an old rare Kent than a collector in Holland would. When DAve Weckl popularized the Kent snare drums I sold a slew of them to foreign countries and the price was consistent. If it's just common old drums, not rare collector models, then i can see the Dutch paying more for a Concorde than an American, but the sought after vintage drums seem to be more an international thing. Maybe I can figure out some way to note those particular models/brands that are more in some regions than in others.

From calfskin

The question wasn't so much a currency exchange question(which is relavent) but a comment that the proposed BB will likely not have any value outside of the U.S. because it will reflect the feelings Americans have about drums,not their true value. Those in Holland ,who grew up playing Concorde or King's drums(both actually mfg. in Germany) might have very strong feelings about their early kits .Someone from Maine might have very strong feelings about their early Kent kit. Which do you think would end up with a higher monetary profile in the proposed book, since 99% of American drummers have never heard of Concorde or King's drums? The book only makes sense, if it is detailed to a specific market , so what you are describing is An American Blue Book of Drums; not A Blue Book of Drums.

Posted on 12 years ago
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Can you tell me the names of those rare drums guides?

From fishwaltz

George;This is magnificent! The only thing I ask is to make the amounts fluid, to support changing price ranges, etc...I used to own an antique clock shop where folks would come in, see something similar to the picture in the 'Price Guide' clutched in their grubby paws, and howl bloody murder because my price was three times higher. Of course, they ignored the fact that the book was published five years previous, and I would have gladly purchased a boat load of same for what the 'book' said it was worth.Anomaly's: So, do you toss the price of the 'played by Ringo BDP Ludwig'? It would skew the whole BDP thing.Also, I've seen price guides come out before that mostly deal in rare drums... those are fairly worthless IMHO. Yes, it's always interesting to see what a Gladstone snare sells for, but maybe relegate this information in the rare and expensive section.I didn't read all the posts, but I will spout off my opinion of eBay: It must be included... It is a giant force in price setting. Like it or not, it's there, and seems like it will continue to be. Should you use the asking price? Nope... but the sales price, yes.I'm excited to see this work. Thanks for your effort!

Posted on 12 years ago
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From George Lawrence

Can you tell me the names of those rare drums guides?

I should have typed rare clocks, not rare drums... they were called the 'Antique Buying Guide'. I'm not sure if they are still in print. The problem was is that they would publish museum quality clocks with ludicrous prices. These did nothing at all to help the trade, or the buyer due to the reasons I stated previously. There were also more mundane examples published as well, but the prices were just as ridiculous.

Regional pricing is also something to be looked into. Although it's not as prevalent as it was twenty five plus years ago, it's still out there.

Anyhoo, sorry for the confusion.

fishwaltz
Posted on 12 years ago
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Wow... Fish! Done with the kitchen yet?

Good to see you on here again!!

Years ago (early 1990s) my oldest son and I got into baseball cards, opened up a shop and also went to and set up at many shows. I fully hear you on the "...the 'Price Guide' clutched in their grubby paws, and howl bloody murder because..." quote. But one thing that many miss on these things: they are guides. Guides. Prices in price guides are never set in stone on anything. There are always variables.

Again I think this is a good idea, and will lend any help I can especially in the area of 1970s Pearl FG & W/FG drums...

Bill

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