For anyone doubting that this book or guide would be useful just look at the number of post on this site alone asking "What is this drum worth?". Seems like a reliable guide would be a no brainer.
Vintage drums have been commercialized for several decades. Have you been into one of the larger drum shops lately? There are several who have a specialized salesman who only deals with vintage drums. The largest market in the drum industry is the used and vintage market. It's been commercial since the days of Frank's Drum Shop in the early part of last century. There is already a large faction of people who trade vintage drums as a business/for the money. C'mon.
Good luck with the price guide. I will have no use for it, but I am also sure many others will love it!! I freely admit you found a market without a "set" pricing system and are probably onto something with your idea. After all, this is still America and guys with ideas are supposed to try and develop them into something more!! I do support that notion 100%, and always have.
One final thought is I was wondering if you were planning on classifying tubs as being vintage, or having a vintage section, in the blue book? There are probably a hundred or more posts, over half a dozen threads, on this site that couldn't do that. The answers were varied, wide ranging, and just different. Some used the time when the factory, owner or shell layup changed. Some used a simple year. The replies were all over the place. The hard part isn't the no-brainers in the early years, but the cutoff as to when it is just used, not vintage, was where all the differences came to light. It would be interesting to see what the "cutoff" was for each brand, and how that was decided.
toodles
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I myself would say no to a Blue book on pricing of vintage drums.To many questions what is vintage?Vintage to one guy maybe be a set from the 1980's to another guy a set from the 1960's and so on..Then condition comes into play of the price,again one guy may think his set is in mint condition the other guy may think its in good condition. And so on....Just to many questions....Mikey
Do you want to go look at the page for the Supraphonic and see where I have headed with this? Email me and i'll give you access. All of the drums will be listed by brand and model # or name and year. If it is a drum that deserves clarification in its history and description as far as some years, colors, versions, versions, etc. being more valuable than others, then it will have a longer page than, say, a common beginner or midline production drum like a Pearl Export steel chrome snare drum that is never going to vary in used good condition price $40? no matter when it was made, except maybe accounting for inflation way down the line ( hopefully way down the line, eh?) . As far as dating and cut off dates for vintage models, my inclination is to call the obvious rare, desirable, holy grail, etc, ones "vintage" drums , and note the gray area or controversy about models that are considered "vintage" by some but not by others. What got me started on all this was at my drum shop just a few years ago i received a phone call from a young man asking about a particular "vintage DW drum" he was looking for to complete his set. I almost said there is no such thing as a "vintage DW drum" then bit my tongue as he started talking about how this particular model is out of production, sounded so great, how they changed shell manufacturing at such and such year, switched to different weight lugs, etc. I realized that is not up to just the old experts and shop owners to define what is vintage and what is not. When a demand is created in the market then someone will seek to fill it, thus we buy and sell what we consider vintage drums (old Gretsches in rosewood for me, any year or badge, always looking :-) This is what I want to report.
Good luck with the price guide. I will have no use for it, but I am also sure many others will love it!! I freely admit you found a market without a "set" pricing system and are probably onto something with your idea. After all, this is still America and guys with ideas are supposed to try and develop them into something more!! I do support that notion 100%, and always have. One final thought is I was wondering if you were planning on classifying tubs as being vintage, or having a vintage section, in the blue book? There are probably a hundred or more posts, over half a dozen threads, on this site that couldn't do that. The answers were varied, wide ranging, and just different. Some used the time when the factory, owner or shell layup changed. Some used a simple year. The replies were all over the place. The hard part isn't the no-brainers in the early years, but the cutoff as to when it is just used, not vintage, was where all the differences came to light. It would be interesting to see what the "cutoff" was for each brand, and how that was decided. toodlesDrumhack The BandJump For Joy:confused:Burger KinExcited
Great Idea the problem would be Conditions of drums to relate price, specially with drum collectors
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George this is a pic of how Vintage Guitar Magazine Does it, this is in every monthly issue the price guide, they will survey participating dealers, then they publish the actual price guide for that particular year. Now believe me I'm well aware there are far more guitar shops than drum shops, and also that no drum or drum set is ever going to achieve the price level of stringed instruments. In fact the Arlington Texas Guitar show is the largest in the world, it makes the Chicago drum show look like a swap meet. Oh and some of the responses given to you have given me a headache, PLEASE Publish your Blue book! alot of the members here are not who your book is directed at anyway. ok here is how VG does it they are considered the bible of vintage guitars, In fact this is my favorite magazine hands down, except for NSMD and Classic Drummer, and I'm a drummer before I'm a guitar player.
Make it happen George... we are all here to help! Clapping Happy2People are unreasonable, illogical and self-centered.Love them anyway.If you do good, people will accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives. Do good anyway.If you are successful, you will win false friends and true enemies. Succeed anyway.The good you do today will be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway.Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable. Be honest and frank anyway.The biggest person with the biggest ideas can be shot down by the smallest person with the smallest mind. Think big anyway.What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight. Build anyway.People really need help but may attack if you help them. Help people anyway.Give the world the best you have and you might get kicked in the teeth. Give the world the best you've got anyway.
Fantastic post!
Chris
If a ringo kit goes up for sale it`s gonna have set BB value, If Ringo`s kit goes up for sale, Will it be the same ?
People are gonna change things like hoops, mounts, wraps ect., and there really is no way of listing the possible combo`s that could happen, A MIJ with Sonor Ferro hoops, and 1930 ludwig stick throw, with 1970 Premiere lugs is gonna be impossible to price out !! Is there a creation priceing ?
In other words, a 73 Skylark that someone put 30 grand into is only gonna have a BB resale value at Buick but I doubt that`s what it will list for !!
So is this where drum values are headed ?
