Capt Weird,

you out there?

Are you speaking of the 388 and 389 tom holders individually?

or

Are you speaking of the 388/389 and the 391/392 tom holders?

I have the cats and am researching, but I'm not familiar with the terms dagger and round as used here. I've always known them by the numbers.

The dagger tom mounts (that go on the actual 12 or 13 toms ) are almost triangle shaped, and go to a sharp point...hence the term dagger..

The round mounts that go on a 12,13 etc are...well,round! :-)

Don't know them by numbers yet....

The first pic is an example from the late 60s. There are three different types here. Look closely at them.

The second pic is an example from the early 70s. There are two different shaped mounts there. One is round, the other has a pointed type end.

Are these what you are speaking to?

390 is dagger on tom

388 is dagger on BD

389 is dagger on BD,round on tom...

I have a 389 on both BD's on my Superstar kit..

what year are those cats from?

The first is from 69. The second is from 72.

Here's another pic from the 72 cat ... just to muddy the waters a bit.

Here's an even muddier addition ...

This is from the 76 cat on a Superstar kit.

Now we are getting into pure hard clay ...

From the same 76 cat ...