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Hanging With Benny Barth Last viewed: 27 seconds ago

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I had a great hang at Benny Barth's house yesterday morning. For those of you that don't know who he is, Benny played in the west coast jazz band called The Mastersounds. They recorded 12 albums back in the 60's. He was endorsed by WFL and then Ludwig. The photo of him on his Ludwigs has alWAYs been a favorite of mine with his famous smile! The man is now 82 and still very sharp. He has some great stories and being a huge Jo Jones fan I will share that story with you.

Benny had a gig in San Francisco at the same time Jo Jones did back sometime in the 1960's. Benny, like Jo, liked to hit the drum shops in the various cities they played. Drum Land owned by Kenny Williams was THE drum shop in SF at the time. Benny offered Jo a ride and Jo, pointing at his shoes said "I've got my Keds, that's the only transportation I need". So they decided to meet there around 1pm. Benny shows up around 12:30pm and Kenny was busy rearranging the pictures of famous drummers on the walls as he had some new ones he was putting up. Jo Jones steps in around 1pm and Kenny hadn't yet finished putting all the pictures back up on the walls as he had been side tracked talking to Benny. So Jo looks up at the walls walking around kind of mumbling to hoim self as he's looking at the pics "uh-huh' ..."hmmmm"..."ok"..... When all of the sudden Jo looks at Kenny and shouts "WHERE THE F*** IS MY PICTURE? I TAUGHT ALL THESE MOTHER F***ERS HOW TO PLAY! WHERE THE F*** IS MY PICTURE KENNY? At which point a very sheepish Kenny had to explain that he had been rearranging the pictures and just hadn't got his up yet. And Jo Jones replied with a simple "oh, OK".

I laughed my ass off at that story because I pictured Jo Jones as the classiest drummer as he was alWAYs so well dressed and then to hear that he talked liked that and had a bit of a hot temper fueled by ego just cracked me up.

Benny has quite a little drum collection too but unfortunately most of his snare drums have been drilled to accommodate a Ludwig p83 strainer. The one that killed me was a 1920's Ludwig & Ludwig Super that looked like it was possible faded rose marine that was drilled for a Ludwig p83. Benny also has a non-engraved Leedy Black Elite drilled for a p83. He gave the original nobby gold strainer to Harry Cangany. Harry tried to talk Benny into at least keeping the original strainer with the drum so if it's ever sold it could be put back on and sold as a drum with 2 extra holes as opposed to being a drum with an incorrect strainer that would be worth far less than just the 2 extra holes. When Benny refused Harry wanted to buy the strainer from him but Benny just gave it to him.

Benny also met George Way back when George was running his own company. He left the factory with two 5.5x14 walnut finish snare shells. The shells were not drilled but had bearing edges and badges attached. He ended up putting tube lugs on one and DW lugs on the other.

Benny looks at his collection as a workable collection and has no problem drilling a drum for a Ludwig p83 to make the drum work for him. For us purists it's a hard concept to wrap our heads around but Benny is a working drummer and needs his drums to be in working order.

His lovely wife Dianne is a very warm person and loves canoeing down the river. She was so disappointed that I wasn't taking any drums home with me :lol:

If anyone is interested in a kit owned by Benny Barth, he is selling two Radio King kits as he can't haul around those big bass drums anymore at his age. #1 is a 28/12/14/16 7x14 and is natural maple. Not sure what they were originally as that's the WAY Benny got them many years ago. #2 is a 26/13/16 7x14 in what looks like silver sparkle but has gingeraled quite heavily but looks cool. I can pass any info onto Benny if you're interested. I don't know prices and I'm not positive on those sizes but they are close.

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With the Mastersounds. That's Buddy Montgomery of Vibes, younger brother to the more famous Wes Montgomery.

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1957 George Way BDP 26" concert bass drum
1959 George Way BDP 22/12/16 w/ 5.5x14
1959 George Way Green Sparkle 22/12/16 w/5.5x14
1961 George Way Blue Sparkle 20/12/15
1961 George Way Jelly Bean 20/12/14 w/4.5x14
1960’s Camco Oaklawn Champagne 20/12/14/16w/5x14
1971-73 Camco Chanute Walnut 24/14/18 w/5x14 COB
Posted on 13 years ago
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Steve, really cool story and pics thank you for sharng your experience with us!!Yes Sir

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
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Brilliant, thanks for posting.

... that vinyl collection in the back must be something to !!??

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Thanks Steve, great memories there !!

Kev

Kevin
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Loved the Papa Jo story! Thanx for posting.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
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That's funny that you should mention Benny's smile -- I always enjoyed watching footage of Papa Jo Jones and seeing him grin ear to ear, like he was doing a magic trick! Definitely a different breed of drummers.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5uROxVUkA4[/ame]

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You know, you might ask him to begin archiving those drums. I can understand why a man likes the P-83/S/L Rapid...but if he were to give up proper provenance and a pic with each drum, (as he is getting on up in days) I think the drilling and replacement would be a much smaller issue...not saying it would be a totally non-issue, but I think anyone ending up with one would have a very less likely chance of griping about it...

You know, we all like what we like for a reason. If it is easier to use a P-83, (which I agree with) by a jazz legend, WTF difference does it really make to those of use that are not?

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From evan

That's funny that you should mention Benny's smile -- I always enjoyed watching footage of Papa Jo Jones and seeing him grin ear to ear, like he was doing a magic trick! Definitely a different breed of drummers.

Holy freakin .... , that WAS magic, geez...........

Kevin
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From kevins

Holy freakin .... , that WAS magic, geez...........

Yeah, tell me about it! As far as I'm concerned, Papa Jo Jones was very close to it. He sings with his hands.

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Got any more info on the Radio Kings?

Its better to have people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and prove them wrong, unless you doubt yourself then speak away....
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