The more I look at this picture, the more I think these are not Standards. The lugs don't look like Standards. What are they?

Thanks

jim

It's hard to tell. The picture is so small you can't see any detail.

An S-330 is that configuration in a Ludwig Standard kit (22, 12, 13, 16, 14 X 5 snare).

Look here to ID that wrap (I think it might not be an S-330... I don't remember that wrap...

http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/ludwig_standards.htm

The wrap looks like Mod Orange,but Standards weren't available with that wrap.Bass drum spurs look to be fold out,not retractable like standards,and clear interiors...classics?..hhhmmmmmm love a mystery.

Steve B

Ditto on the Mod Orange. Only offered 1 or 2 years if I remember correctly, and I'm getting old so that's suspect. Very rare wrap IF that's what it is.

And Ditto on the small pictures... really hard to tell, but from what I see, I don't think they're Standards. Again, based upon my memory, I don't think Ludwig Standard ever offered single-headed drums... but come to think of it, I don't think you ever saw whole sets being offered in the classic line, either (just concert toms). They were available on special order...

And, it also don't look like a Standard double tom mount, but the heavier Classic one...

Please excuse my ramblins'...

The set could be a Classic set from late 60's and has been re-wraped...But who knows the photo is so small..if they are not asking alot for them i would go and check them out just to see what the set is..Mikey

Ludwig did make a late 60's Standard set with top heads only i can not recall the name but the set had toms that were 6" deep...Ludwig also had two sets in 1980 under the Combo line of drums that were single headed drums-toms only--That was when Ludwig change the shells from 3 ply to 6 ply..They used Plastic lugs on the first ones they did not look like any Ludwig lug made but with all the problems with the plastic lugs they change them to Classic lugs..They also used the classic double tom mount on the sets...Mikey

I had forgotten about the Combo sets, and if I'd followed the provided link above I wouldn't have forgotten the Standard single-headed set that was sort of a "pre-curser" to Pearl's "Traveler" set. I like the single-headed sound, but I NEVER thought much of that type of set. I just lugged mine around in several cases... and was lucky enough to play in clubs 5 nights a week and only moved 'em every couple of weeks... Hey, anyone remember the "Yankee Clipper" in Moline, IL?

The more I look at the (small picture) and the more research I've done, I've got to agree with Mickey777 that it's possibly a rewrap. It's also possible it was custom-ordered. I remember when Ludwig allowed "special" orders -- maybe they still do. But I don't think it's a Ludwig Standard.

Hey, IMO if it's 3ply shells w/rings with classic hardware and the price is right, go for it! I would... even if it's a rewrap. I don't have any trouble moving 60s Ludwig shells/drums, even my rewraps.

Jim, you sure got me sucked into this one, so let us know what you end up doing...

Real picture now available.

Owner swears with 100% certainty that the black interior is original. His brother was the original owner and he remembers them this way on day one (with bottom heads and lugs of course). What do we have?

Thanks

jim

That picture really helps now.

IMO, that IS Mod Orange. These ARE NOT Ludwig Standards, but Classics (you can even see the keystone badges). Clear interiors on the toms, which I thought that transition was in 1969, but sometimes transition periods produced "fuzzy" results. I've never seen a black interior before (notice the rings are clear maple) but the Ludwig Standards referenced in a post above did have painted interiors (the single-headed variety that nested together for moving around), so maybe just another "fuzzy."

What's he wanting for them? If you don't want them, maybe I do!

Bill