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Wilson Brothers Snare Drum Last viewed: 3 hours ago

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Yep, non-supportive comments on For Sale threads are just plain rude.If it happened on a used car lot without the buffer of cyber-space protecting the sour puss poster, there would be physical conflits galore.

I often visit a great vintage car site, which has instituted several rules related to for-sale comments:

Anyone is welcome to submit a comment, but please keep in mind the following rules:Rule #1: Be constructive. It’s easy to say something is ugly or stupid, and sometimes it’s even warranted. It’s harder, and more valuable, to say how you might improve it. Anyone can say a car sucks — real value is added when you can specify what is wrong and how it might be fixed.Rule #2: Experience trumps.Other readers care a lot more about your opinion if it’s born out of relevant experience. If you know the history of a particular vehicle, or a lot about the particular make or model, you’re much more likely to be interesting. Try to speak from your areas of expertise.Rule #3: The market sets the price.All too often we see cars sell to readers, quickly, for prices that others condemn. This is because for nearly every car, at every price, there will be a group of people who are certain it’s too expensive. We live in a free market, though, where the seller and buyer determine the price, so saying something is too expensive isn’t really saying anything all (see rule #2). If you want to make a case for a price, point to a comparable sale or offer instead.Rule #4: If you haven’t read all the rest of the comments, you’re not ready to leave one of your own. This is the digital equivalent of listening before speaking.Rule #5: Talk about the cars, not each other.Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if you don’t agree with it. Criticisms of the character, taste, or general nature of other readers is a no-no. Period.

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'68 Ludwig Ruby Red Strata
'68 Ludwig Mod Orange
'58 Gretsch Starlight Sparkle
'69 Ludwig Clubdate BDP
'60s Ludwig Clubdate Black Lacquer / Nickel
'67 Trixon Speedfire Red
COB Ludwig Supra
Many projects
Bunch o snares
Posted on 14 years ago
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Rule #4: If you haven’t read all the rest of the comments, you’re not ready to leave one of your own. This is the digital equivalent of listening before speaking.

Rule #5: Talk about the cars, not each other.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if you don’t agree with it. Criticisms of the character, taste, or general nature of other readers is a no-no. Period.

[COLOR="Red"]Yeah, I know, but this guy is a seriously demented individual that starts more garbage than should be allowed in a public place. If this were a beer joint and he kept coming in here starting all this crap, he would have been banned by now, and likely had his nose broken a few times by the good ol' boys....[/COLOR]

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Renewed my interest in this cool drum. I'm using it with my new Gretsch Bop kit - Love the wood hoops!

This is not a drum I'd take to the bar gig for sure - but it sure is a lot of fun around home. Mostly it's fun to play an eighty five year old drum. It's looking pretty darn good for it's age.

Here it is today with the Gretsch kit:

Posted on 14 years ago
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She looks pretty comfy back there, man !!

Kevin
Posted on 14 years ago
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Dang Gary, you've more in your cymbals than my car is worth...and she do look good in number one position.

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 14 years ago
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I just want to clarify the fact that I have not posted anything other then a factual and constructive observation of the current vintage drum market conditions. Prices are down and in order to achieve an expedient sale, prices have to be competitive. The drum in question was bought on ebay only a few months ago for around $200.00 and is now being offered at several times that. This is, IMHO, overpriced. In a public forum such as this, the public is allowed to voice an opinion, which is what I did. As far as demented and rude behavior, I think Jonnicakes qaulifies for that award with his abusive and bullying rants. Perhaps he would do well to practice what he likes to preach.

Posted on 14 years ago
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It could be argued that there is no way to determine a current value for any vintage drums -and especially unusual vintage drums. That Wilson is a beautiful drum that's not often seen in use...so cheers for using it! As far as valuing it, MY answer would be to price it in accordance to what you want to get out of it. If you think it sounds like a million bucks, then that's what it's worth. However, having said that, what it has a realistic chance of selling for quickly is not a million bucks! ;)

I encourage people to come to this forum and ask a lot of questions...go through the research materials available here, do the research and come up with their own valuation. I think it's misleading to think that anyone here is "authorized" to state what something is worth to someone else. The market is both down and up. There are drums that have sold for all-time high prices lately and there have been drums that have been sold for next to nothing lately.

As far as other aspects of this discussion...I see this forum as less of a small town where the "good ol' boys" hang out whittling sticks to poke at any strangers passing through. I see it as more of a community where open-minded types hang out with each other because of our common love of cool drums.

I do find it somewhat distasteful to post any messages that would upset someone's attempt to make a sale in the "For Sale" section. The "For Sale" section is an area where mmmmmmaybe there might be a little bit of "marketing" going on and maybe some wishful thinking, too. Maybe we should make this section a "no comment" section and allow members to handle the details of the transactions via PM or email, only....? -just asking.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 14 years ago
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I for one like the section as it is. I feel that the give and take of questions is always helpful to potential buyers. As for angry postings, that only shows the poster in a truer light.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Well, it is possible for sellers to close responses on their own if they don't want to receive critical comments. *See the sticky at the top of the topic selections.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 14 years ago
#19
"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 14 years ago
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