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Ludwig Experts please: A few questions Last viewed: 4 hours ago

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Hello

A fellow worker inherited a Ludwig drum kit a few years ago - they're still packed in a couple of crates. She mentioned this to me at the time of her inheritance. Since then every once in a while I ask if she's unpacked the drums. She hasn't got to that yet....they're in storage in her house. I've offered to identify them and tell her what she's got. Her husband is a recreational guitar player and she said they're defaulted to him because he's the only musician in the family. I'm just beside myself with anticipation - I'd love to know what they have - just because if they were mine they'd be all over the livingroom the day they arrived! They live on a small island off Vancouver Island where I live and I've never been to their home....otherwise the pressure would be on for them to open the boxes haha.

She doesn't know what year the drums are. She thinks mid-60's is a good guess. I told her if they open the boxes to send me photos - closeups of the badges.....and inside the snare drum....any dates etc. and the hardware - lugs...that kind of thing (I don't think she knows what lugs are but I will tell her).

My question:

What model of Ludwig drums are very desirable - which ones more than others? What years are best - or what are better drums from one year to the next - or more sought after?

I know a little and I do have the Ludwig book but I want to hear it from you folks.

D' Drummer

Posted on 14 years ago
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Ooooh, that's too general to answer. There are MANY desirable Ludwig drums/sets. Yes, mid-60's is good. Anything from that era that is wrapped in Oyster Black Pearl would be extremely good. Anything in a rare finish would be good.

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The most valuable ones at this particular time are late 60's early 70's Psycadelic Red,Mod Orange and Citris Mod wraps, being the most valuable,bringing more than Oyster Black Pearl Ringo kits.A 5 piece with a supra snare was just purchaced by a member of another forum for 6600 bucks.A citris mod downbeat snare went for over 6 K all by itself a few weeks ago.B/O badge Black Beauty's are going for big bucks too,as well as original 2 piece shelled engraved models.Brass Super 400 pre serial and transition badge drums go for big bucks too.It all has to do with condition,original model configueration,and how many have been offered for sale recently,but having said that ,there are no hard fast rules.All it takes sometimes is a collector with deep pockets who decides..he will have that drum...screw the cost.but like O-Lugs said...way too general a question to answer completely

Steve B

Posted on 14 years ago
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Thanks guys.

I will just have to wait until she unpacks the crates.

It's funny how that is......it's like I can't wait to see them...and I don't understand why they just don't unpack them and at least take a look. But on the other hand they're just not interested in drums.

Hu....How can that be!

I suppose I can't really talk - I live near Vancouver BC and I don't watch hockey and I'm not even watching the Stanley Cup Play-offs. If I was going to root for a team right now it would be Boston....not to be obstreperous....It's just I think Boston...the City...is cool...(the history...close to lots of drums in New York) ....I've never been there though.

My sports "hit" for the year is The Tour....my July is usually booked for that.

I'll go do some more reading in the Ludwig Book and pass that on to her........maybe that will 'tweek' her into opening the precious packagesEye Ball

Posted on 14 years ago
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Gary,

Maybe you will get lucky and she will sell them to you cheap since she already knows you are sweet on them. Even if they were Club Dates, how cool would that be? My deal on my Ludwigs will never happen to me in a million years. I am sure my mojo is gone. No lottery for me. The bad thing about these vintage drums is that they're vintage and you feel guilty playing them anywhere. I wish I was in a big band so I could have an old kit and not worry about people falling on them or spilling beer on them. I am stuck with this beautiful kit that sounds fantastic and it is a mere museum piece. Between the guys on here and onlinedrummer.com I bet we could open a museum and have rotating kits. Wouldn't that be cool? You could go to this museum any time of year and play old drums and the kits would always be different. Okay, no more thinking out loud. No I am not drunk or stoned. Storm Trooper

Sean

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Haha - thanks for posting.

I'm always amazed at the beautiful drum on this site.....and some of the others I visit. There is just so much incredible music history associated with all the drums.

I don't play in bands anymore - not because I don't want to - because I got away from playing drums for 30 yrs. and most of my friends now do not play instruments. So....I for one am not worried about taking my drums out to play. I have a huge amount of enjoyment going into my drum room (started in 2007 with my Purewood Gretsch kit as the center piece) and playing some nice old snare drums and/or toms that I've bought in the last 3-4yrs.

I don't think this lady with the Ludwigs would sell the drums - it's a family keep-sake I think. But, if she did want to sell them to me I have none other than to pay her top dollar for her treasures and I would feel good about it.

I think the snare is ......a Triumph....something.....and has some gold on it.....zwhat she said her Uncle told her....????Laughing H

Posted on 14 years ago
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From drummingbulldog

The bad thing about these vintage drums is that they're vintage and you feel guilty playing them anywhere. I wish I was in a big band so I could have an old kit and not worry about people falling on them or spilling beer on them.

Well, there is good news for you, and I can tell you, without a doubt, you can have an uber-cool wrapped kit and be able to play it out without too much anxiety. Keep an eye on MIJ kits, we get some of the coolest wraps available, and if you find them on C/L, you can grab them cheap. It's all in the preservation/restoration/modification of the shells that gets you the tone. and playability. Are they going to sound like Ludwigs? Not exactly, but many people do use them to record with because they have a controlled resonance and tones that are out of this world, when properly handled. I can show you how it's done. It does take some work, but if you can get a kit for 50-150 bucks in overall good condition, it is so much easier to take them to the beer halls and not be overly concerned. But once you get them all tuned up, you may have some trepidation because they look so darned good and sound wonderful.

Now, I know how some guys feel about "junk MIJs". But the truth is, they can well be fitted out to sound great, and when you are not into them for 1000s of bucks, you can learn to appreciate that one fact. You don't have to take a chance on your irreplaceable vintage American kit getting destroyed, and if the MIJ kit does, you are likely to able to replace it quickly and cheaply. I love that aspect of MIJ drums, cheap, easy to find, and once you get a little expertise under your belt in respect to working them over, you will likely find yourself looking for a second, or even a third kit. I keep at least one 3 ply and 1 6/9 ply kit at home all the time. No complete, intact Pearl Exports, but I do use the shells for my sideline.

I am available to help, or even if you find a kit and want me to do the work over, I am cheap labor, I just love drums. I am beginning a "new" jungle kit soon. I have a 15" 6 ply Ludwig floor tom that I am going to set up as the bass, a 6 ply Pearl 13" for the floor tom and a 10" 6 ply Pearl tom. It is going to be either green or orange hand applied sparkle finish. My "CoffeeHouse Re-Creations" look and sound amazing. I sell a few of them around town and the jazzers love them.

One kid here that is a jazz pianist bought one to learn on and all his drummers use it onstage, whether they have enough space for a larger kit or not. Now that is not to say they play it at every gig, but many times they opt for it merely because of the cool factor it lends them.

I am building one for a guy that has played Gretsch for the last 20+ years. He played that little blue sparkle kit at rehearsal one night and had Anthony call me right after to ask me to build him one. I take that as a big time compliment, coming from a dedicated Gretsch drummer. Can you imagine, wanting to order basically a Pearl Export when you have been playing Gretsch for years? It is more about the look, the tone and the size that these guys love. They bear little resemblance to the original, in looks and tone, when I am done with them. These were all Pearl Export grade shells before I got into them, re-contouring the edges, slightly and finishing out the interiors as well as the exteriors. Have a peak at the last one I sold...

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Posted on 14 years ago
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