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Old 05-22-2013, 08:30 PM
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OK, wait: how did you "accidentally" ship this to this person? Did you know you were shipping it? Did you agree to sell it to him, and did you both agree to terms? Did money change hands? Did you accept money before you shipped it?

The sale is finalized when the parties come to terms, not when the buyer receives the item. There isn't a "grace period" when, just because he hasn't received the item, you can back out - especially if you agreed to terms and were paid.

I ask you: how is it you sold something that you weren't "intending" to sell? Maybe I'm missing something. I've re-read your post and I still can't figure out what, though.

You say "I sold something", and then realized "I didn't want to sell it". It's too late at that point, unfortunately - a deal that is completed is no longer a deal, it's a transaction. Yes, the buyer could agree to rescind the sale, but it is completely up to him whether he does that or not. Your personal feelings notwithstanding, making an emotional case (whining) to get something back that you consciously packed up and shipped after receiving an agreed price for isn't good form. Let it go. Chalk it up to experience. We all make mistakes. Don't compound yours by whining about it. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but life doesn't usually afford "do overs" when something comes up that changes your mind.

Based on my questions in the first paragraph, please provide more detail, because to me this sounds like a simple case of sellers remorse. I'm afraid, regardless of what you think, that the buyer has every right to keep what he bought. I'm sorry: the buyer can't read your mind when it changes, and he isn't required to.
Bless you, Rick for looking beneath the surface!

I am the buyer!

My side: I am refurbishing an old club date kit for my grandson. I started a thread about the resto job and in the thread, I asked if anybody had period correct Zildjian cymbals for sale so I could complete the kit. Vibes responded and told me he had a set of hats and an 18" crash/ride. He wanted $120. for the hats, and a $100 for the cymbal. He told me they were Zildjian A's so I went for the deal. I sent Tim a Postal Money order for the full amount and I paid extra for Priority Mail so he wouldn't have to wait. Tim confided in me that he really needed the money, that he had a ton of stuff to get rid of, and that his wife was giving him some pressure to sell off some drum stuff. I wanted to help the guy out by getting the money into his hands asap.

The money order arrived, Tim cashed it and he told me he would ship the cymbals shortly. A week later, I sent him a pm asking if the brass had shipped yet. He told me no, but that they would go out the next day. He shipped the following day.

Two days later... before I even got the cymbals, he started calling me and telling me he made a terrible mistake, they were 50's cymbals that were worth 'much more' than what I had paid him. I went to ebay to see what 50's 14" hats were selling for and the average price turned out to be between $150 and $250 depending on condition. I paid him $120 for the set. He really hadn't lost much in the sale. I explained to him that I was buying the cymbals for my grandson, that he only lost maybe $25 to $50 on the sale, not to feel too bad about it. He agreed, told me to enjoy the cymbals when I got them and that maybe I should consider keeping them for myself. I told him, no thanks, they were going to be part of my grandson's first drum kit. At that point, I put the whole thing behind me and waited for the cymbals to arrive.

It wasn't over by a long shot. Tim kept writing, telling me he changed his mind, I 'had to' sell them back to him because he made a mistake. He had changed his mind, etc, etc, etc. It rapidly escalated to harassment. He'd write me notes saying, "I've been talking to other people and they say you're wrong, if you were a decent person you'd sell them back to me."

I will tell all what I told Tim. Not -my- problem! I bought those cynbals for my grandson. I paid what he asked for them. I did not haggle the price. I paid for the items and he cashed the check. Only after they were in the mail did he start all this sellers remorse stuff. To the point of being obnoxious, insulting and annoying about it. This thread is nothing more than more manipulation to get me to give him back the merchandise he sold me! Balls!

I'm an honest trader. Many people here have done transactions with me and they went smooth as silk. I have gotten to the point where I refuse to sell back the cymbals simply because I do not want to give in to his arm twisting.

My grandson will be getting the kit in just a week or two. He'll be getting a complete kit... cymbals and all. I'll be sure to tell him that if he ever decides to sell the cymbals, to give Tim first crack at them. I don;t think he's ever going to sell them though.

They were a gift from grandpa!

Tim- I answered you in private, you refused to accept no for an answer, so here it is in Public. Your manipulative tactics won't work with me! Drop it, they're not going back. If you're so upset about the mistake of having sold them, for $25 more than I paid you, you can buy another set on ebay!

I'm all done here. For all of you that pre-judged the situation... next time get all the facts from both sides before passing your half-informed harsh judgement.

John
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:35 PM
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Obviously we don't know the story but...

Even if it is buyers remorse... and the money changed hands... and the deal was done. I think many people on here would return a whole set of drums if the person that sold them said... "Man I'm killing myself for making that sale please let's work a deal so I can my drums back."

Mike is right on track... find a matching item to exchange, add some cash and shipping and try to get yours back.
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:38 PM
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If those are the facts, then you are still questionable. Vibes reached out and did you a favor for your grandson. He caught the mistake and asked you to do him a favor, with compensation. You turned your back to him.
That's what I see.
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:38 PM
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He's been harassing me, over this, Jim. I bought those for my grandson, I'm not going to allow him to guilt me into giving or selling them back. It's a immature form of manipulation that I don't respond to very well.

Maybe next time he sells something he should check carefully -first- before cashing the check!

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Old 05-22-2013, 08:42 PM
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John that sounds legit to me.

I read vibes original post as he sent "the wrong item." (I think many did actually).

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Old 05-22-2013, 08:57 PM
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I just think that when I realized it was the set that went with my my crash and ride. All bought at the same time. Also my jazz ensemble cymbals. i had that hi hat set on my recording set and i didnt realize they went with my jazz ensemble. i told you that. And I asked for a return before you even got the cymbals. Also the money was in my Paypal account. And I told you I would refund you the money immediately. The only thing you kept telling me was they were for your grandson and they were his now period. I offered you a refund, replacements, I just didn't think it was that big a deal you can get A Zildjians hats all over the place. I don't get it. I made a mistake and you won't let me off the hook. You did offer to help me find era correct hats but why can't you return mine that match my set of cymbals and find some more. I don't want any problems with anyone. I just don't know what the big deal is with a swap or refund. I mean really. If the shoe were on the other foot I am sure it would be a different story. I mean does a little girl need a mink coat. I don't think so. I have some nice replacement hats, I just don't want to break up my 50's cymbal set. They belonged to a Connecticut jazz drummer and I got them from his estate. I have and had no intentions of ever losing those. Selling or trading or anything else. I am just surprised at your attitude about it. I don't think I am being unreasonable. They are orphan.s to you. I had a matching set . I mean really John, I am not a bad person. I just had a brain **** and you won't let me off the hook. I would never do that to another drummer. It's not the end of the world but it is so easily remedied. I think you just see how nice they are and don't want any others. There for a kid. Good god man. I am a,professional drummer who used those all the time. Look what you wrote me :
Those cymbals were purchased for my grandson... and that's where they are going. Period. It was -your- error, not mine. What are you hoping to do? Guilt me into giving them back?

I've made mistakes in the past selling things for less than they are worth, you man-up, take the lesson and move on. You're starting to make me feel like I'll never hear the end of this.

This is not abut the money at all but about something that I do not want to part with. You man up. It seems like this grandson thing has got you all , I don't know what. I think it's great what your doing. But not at my loss. I told you immediately abut the situation and would like to refund your money. Offered you a few dollars more plus shipping. Before you ever received them. There was no check. The money was in paypal. I never cashed anything. And I have only written John 3 times. Maybe I should screen save the Paypal payment and post it.

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Old 05-22-2013, 09:16 PM
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I went back and read the thread that called the forum into Charity mode. Lots jumped in to help Purdie Shuffle out. That was nice.

I am stuck on one point. When Vibes contacted Purdie Shuffle BEFORE the package arrived and asked for the favor of returning it, why was the box even accepted and opened?
Wasn't this all about charity and helping a drum brother out? Paid or free, the package was sent with the same motive - to help Purdie Shuffle out. That was a Charity package!

If I'm wrong, point it out.

If I'm right, the cymbals should be sent back. That would demonstrate the charity Purdie Shuffle asked of others and received from many. It would be so wrong to keep those cymbals.

Seems pretty clear to me.

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Old 05-22-2013, 09:26 PM
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I went back and read the thread that called the forum into Charity mode. Lots jumped in to help Purdie Shuffle out. That was nice.

I am stuck on one point. When Vibes contacted Purdie Shuffle BEFORE the package arrived and asked for the favor of returning it, why was the box even accepted and opened?
Wasn't this all about charity and helping a drum brother out? Paid or free, the package was sent with the same motive - to help Purdie Shuffle out. That was a Charity package!

If I'm wrong, point it out.

If I'm right, the cymbals should be sent back. That would demonstrate the charity Purdie Shuffle asked of others and received from many. It would be so wrong to keep those cymbals.

Seems pretty clear to me.
Well said!
I agree, cymbals should be sent back.
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Old 05-22-2013, 09:26 PM
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Tim,

Check your merchandise -before- you sell it to someone and cash the funds. Changing your mind because you discovered a mistake -after- you ship is just wak and unacceptable. It's even more wak to try to make it -my- problem.

This is not my problema brother. All I did was agree to your price for the items, and then I paid you on time. I really (really) resent the constant harassment (I was forced to block you,) I have been nothing but civil with you and that behavior on your part has insured that I will not reward you by giving you what you want. This thread is an example. You don't know when to back off and accept the response you received. No, you're going to do everything you can to publicly guilt or shame me somehow into complying with your insistent demand.

Not with me buddy. You poked your stick into the wrong bear cave.

Last time I'm telling you this... I bought those cymbals as a gift for my grandson and that is where they are going. End of story...

You did all this to yourself. Read the earlier post from Rick... wise man! I will repost his comment for you in case you missed it:

"I ask you: how is it you sold something that you weren't "intending" to sell? Maybe I'm missing something. I've re-read your post and I still can't figure out what, though.

You say "I sold something", and then realized "I didn't want to sell it". It's too late at that point, unfortunately - a deal that is completed is no longer a deal, it's a transaction. Yes, the buyer could agree to rescind the sale, but it is completely up to him whether he does that or not. Your personal feelings notwithstanding, making an emotional case (whining) to get something back that you consciously packed up and shipped after receiving an agreed price for isn't good form. Let it go. Chalk it up to experience. We all make mistakes. Don't compound yours by whining about it. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but life doesn't usually afford "do overs" when something comes up that changes your mind.

Based on my questions in the first paragraph, please provide more detail, because to me this sounds like a simple case of sellers remorse. I'm afraid, regardless of what you think, that the buyer has every right to keep what he bought. I'm sorry: the buyer can't read your mind when it changes, and he isn't required to."

Rick - If we ever meet, beer and pizza is on me bro! And whining is not the word for it. I've been getting phone calls, several emails a day just harassing me to death about these cymbals. It's become a matter of principle for me. I'm generally not a hard-a$$, some people just have a way of bringing out that quality in me though.

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Old 05-22-2013, 09:51 PM
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Mmmmm not a good ending...
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