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Ludwig De Luxe?

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Hey everyone!

Hoping for some assistance on a drum I picked up. First some identification help: based on what I could find in the vintage drum guide catalogues my best guess was a late 20s Ludwig De Luxe. The throws match and the floral pattern seems to match as well. It doesn't have a sign of the black lacquer, but I'd imagine it did at one point if it were engraved. It is a 10 lugger. I'm not 100% on the different between a 10 pt and and 12 point floral design. If someone can school me on that it would be appreciated as well. It has what looks to be the Ludwig De Luxe hardware plating on all of the hoops, lugs, t rods, strainer and snare butt. Two clips are broken. The rest appear to be fine and functional. Am I far off with this assessment?

Next cleaning it up. I know that cleaning this drum is a delicate process. Obviously nothing abrasive and caustic will be used. Ultimately I'd like to at least take it a part and wipe it down with a cape cod cloth. Is there anything else I can do?

Finally does anyone know the value of this? I'm having a hard time differentiating value between these older black beauties. It seems like 10 lugs go for the most money. Poking around eBay, Reverb and all of the forums I've see some go for $2000 to be offered up for well over $3000. As far as condition goes it looks like almost all of the hardware is there (no sign of heating plate if it actually was supposed to have one). There's one vent hole that looks to be original. Other than that no extra holes. There doesn't appear to be any denying or shell issues, but i still need to take the lugs and hardware off and take under everything.

Either thanks for the assistance/sharing your expertise.

Posted on 8 years ago
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post pics for best results, also wait until we've seen the pics before any restro is performed ok !?

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 8 years ago
#2
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I'm waiting for my acct to be fixed with posting pics. For some reason I'm getting an error every time I try.

I don't plan on touching in the next couple of days anyways.

Posted on 8 years ago
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I restore DeLuxes/Black Beauties...I'll respond when your photos appear.

12 pt. floral engraving has 6 big leaves, 3 on each side and 6 small leaves, 3 on top, 3 on the bottom.... 10 pt. floral (1929 only) has 3 big leaves on each side and 2 "flattened" leaves on the top and bottom.

Get those photos up and the guys here will be able to assist you.

Mike Curotto

Posted on 8 years ago
#4
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Here's an imgur link to the photos in the meantime.

https://imgur.com/a/6UWYC

Thanks for the clarification Mike!

Posted on 8 years ago
#5
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Sweet 12 pointer.

Nice find. I like it the way it is, looks like some cleaning was done and took off some of the nickel coating from previous owner.

Wayne

Posted on 8 years ago
#6
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I sure wouldn't use a cape cod cloth on that shell. Very easy to remove the remaining black nickel.

Posted on 8 years ago
#7
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Bump! Anybody have anything on resto? At the very least I'd like to take the hardware off to see how everything/the shell looks. I'm leaning towards keeping it as is as far as cleaning goes just because it doesn't look bad.

Posted on 8 years ago
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Don`t dismantle it for cleaning. Here`s why, a $2,500 buyer wants to see that all those parts were there and that patina is what happens when all original parts stay put for decades at a time. You will get $2500 buyers for it. If you do dismantle it and shine it up, buyers are going to know parts are correct, but wont know if you assembled it from a few different drums or parts found online.

Mike is the guy you want to listen to. Both for the clips maybe and for sure correct advice. Clips are expected to be removed for head changing, and many break after over tightening. That happens when the head stretches and people can`t afford a new head, so they crank up the old one.

Wait, he will reply again.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

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Posted on 8 years ago
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The more tool marks, the more people get concerned. Plus, you run the risk of damaging threads.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 8 years ago
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