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I'm the buyer of these mint drums that were called mint by his standards:

this is copied from drumforum

a few might recall my post from last week about a drum set I bought on the forum here - some felt I may have jumped the gun so I contacted the seller about how displeased I was based on his product description and what I was shipped - I feel I have reached a dead end so here it goes - this may be a long post but I'm including emails....

The seller's name jusername here is jacebart - buyer beware

I've been buying and selling on this forum for some time now and have never ever had a problem like this but I learned a valuable lesson -

the post

I have a beautiful Yamaha Club Custom in Orange Swirl, no nicks, dings or scratches. I honestly thought there was something on the hoop but after close inspection, I had it wrong. There isn't even any rash on the hoop. Basically, the kit is dead mint

we negotiated a price and the drum were sent -

3-3-16 7:14 pm

hey peter,

just got back from ups, where i spent 45 minutes watching them pack these things. i was hoping to use one of my boxes but i just couldn't risk it so i bought all new boxes. and they said they could stuff two of the drums into one box. but even with bubble wrap, i didn't want to risk it. the drums are too precious.

within 15 minutes of unpacking the drums I sent this email this to Jason with pictures:

Hey Jason, I'm not if sent the correct bass drum . It's not dead mint and where there were no paint chips in the bass drum bag and you watched them pack this at UPS I can only assume the drum was already like this and did not happen during transit. You also mention no pedal rash on the bass drum hoop. Ok....

Here's your ad to refresh your memory:

"I have a beautiful Yamaha Club Custom in Orange Swirl, no nicks, dings or scratches. I honestly thought there was something on the hoop but after close inspection, I had it wrong. There isn't even any rash on the hoop. Basically, the kit is dead mint"

the reply:

hey peter,

sorry on vacation with my family until monday. just turned on my computer and got your message. in any case, yes, you're totally right about the pedal rash. i totally forgot to describe that; that's my fault. when i get back on monday, i'm happy to figure out a just compensation for that. but i'm sorry to say i can't accept a return. i'll be back with you monday morning. so sorry you're not happy with the kit.

best,

j

my response:

That's crap Jason. You didn't mention there being pedal rash because you said there was none!! NO nicks dings or anything. Dead mint were the words you used. DEAD MINT is what I paid for and in no way shape or form what I got. Go back and read your description of the item and then tell me I'm wrong. Look at the picture of the shell I sent and tell me you would call that dead mint. Put yourself in the buyers position.

I'm happy to work out something with shipping these back to you. They aren't what I paid for.

a new reply from Jason:

Hey Peter,

I'm sorry you're frustrated and things keep getting more complicated on my end. We are at the airport in Florida. Our flight just got cancelled and they can't get us back to Chicago until Tuesday. So I won't be able to figure this out with you until then.

But in the meantime, I wanted to tell you that I'm very sorry for the pedal rash. I didn't disclose it because I literally don't even think about it or care about it. But I know that's on me and it's totally my fault. I know some people are really bothered by pedal rash. But the chips and other defects I didn't report because I had no idea about them and, in fact, I'm not sure how they got there or when. Maybe it'd make sense to take it up with UPS. I can do that when I get back.

Again, I'm sorry you're so displeased and you feel like you've gotten a bad deal. I don't think you have and there has not been any deception involved. But, again, I agree, the pedal rash is totally on me.

Jason

and my response:

Jason, there's nothing to figure out but I'll explain the situation to you again

action - you can paypal me as a gift and I would appreciate an answer tonight since you now have plenty of time to make a decision.

Peter

Jason's reply:

Peter,

I finally got a chance to look at those pictures. I'm definitely not accepting a return. That kit is in what I called and would still call mint condition. I'm sorry you're so unhappy. You got a great price on a great set of drums that I'd consider mint. If those marks were there when I had the drums, I might have missed them. Might that have happened in transit from UPS? Very possibly. In any case, they are minuscule by my standards. As far as the pedal rash, it doesn't seem to me worth mentioning. Which is why I guess I didn't.

Anyway, I suppose you're going to take whatever action you need to. I'm very sorry you're so unhappy.

I'm not ashamed or embarrassed but I'm sorry you're so unhappy and I'll answer whatever legal claim comes my way.

Jason

and my last email this morning:

Have you read any of the emails I sent you?

Mobile-friendly - Top Definition. mint condition. A condition where something is perfect or as if it was originally manufactured.

for a while i was upset at this, i was disturbed by repete and company. but it's been several months now and after selling my drums to a local for more than repete bought them for, i just find the whole thing sort of hilarious. my buyer's reaction to the story, as he beheld the drums was pretty great.

buyer: he wouldn't call this mint!?!

me: no. he thought he was scammed.

buyer: what a nutbag.

me: ya.

in any case, glad they are with someone that knows how to deal with tape residue!

I feel compelled to make a comment for a couple of reasons..One- I always hate when one of my fellow forum brothers get "scammed", and Two- I'm picking up a vintage late 70's set of what i consider to be pretty "mint" Yamaha Tour series drums in standard sizes for only $500 Cdn, so with that being said, this is why i feel sympathetic to your story..

From what i can tell by the pics, tape residue can easily be removed, but i do see pedal rash on the lacquer finish.

The nicks do not look serious, and i would buy a kit with those defects.. However, the seller should have mentioned this from the beginning, and not state that it was" dead mint" even if he thought it was, but rather "good condition with some signs of use", which would've been acceptable..The term "Dead mint" is subjective, and can mean different things to different drummers..I'm not here to judge the buyer, nor blame the seller, but rather point out some unfortunate mishap that could have been easily avoided between what looks like 2 guys that are not here to create any animosity, but only to be satisfied with their purchase, and happy with their sale dealings..Maybe other members can learn from this experience for future reference and future successful, smooth sales..:2Cents:

Mint means like new, right out of the factory, no scratches or even marks on the drum heads. Look up mint in the dictionary.

Nowadays folks call nice condition drums mint. Sometimes NOS isn't mint.

And for a large purchase like the one in this thread, never use paypal gift/family. If a seller won't take regular paypal, move on as he doesn't stand by his item.

And any seller who won't do a return on a misrepresented item is being a dick. Period.

The seller - Jacebart - has gathered a somewhat shady reputation and I had a few uncomfortable dealings with him. He was interested in some of my gear and I simply told him "no" after getting a certain vibe. Sorry for the bad experience. Hope you guys can work this out.

A paypal money request from the seller to the buyer with a description of the goods is always best .