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Where should the kick pedal land on a 20" Bass Drum? Last viewed: 4 days ago

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I have a 20" bass drum and I'm looking for a pedal that would fit it. I've been told that for the best sound the beater should strike the drum head in the center of the head. With my pedal (that I took off my 22" bass drum) it strikes the head too high. So I lowered the beater so it would hit the center, but then the "tail" of the beater rubs against the bottom of the drum head. I can cut the bottom "tail" off the beater, but my question to all of you is:

Is there a different pedal for smaller bass drums?

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If I lower the beater so it strikes the head in the center of the drum head and cut off the excess "tail" so it doesn't rub, will I have enough "throw" in the reduced axis of the pedal to make a decent sound?

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Posted on 12 years ago
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You'll have enough "throw" if you cut a post on the beater, it's not much you take off

I usually play Speed Kings and I lopped off about a 1/4" or so off a spare beater post to hit near the centre of a 20" bass drum. Worked out fine.

There's no different pedal for smaller bass drums, just modify the beater post to suit ya

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i was just fooling with this last night on a 20. ive got a 66 ludwig 20" clubdate bass that i had found some original heads for and installed them last night. i have it setup with a wfl speed king pedal right now and an original felt beater. i noticed that i get a more full,rich tone with the beater above center. i positioned it center and did not care for the sound. i think some of it may be the longer throw by having the beater in a longer position.

mike

Posted on 12 years ago
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From PaPaw

I've been told that for the best sound the beater should strike the drum head in the center of the head

This is true. The only disagreement will be over what "best sound" you are after.

Maximum punch = hit in the middle, maximum tone and complexity = hit off center. That's because hitting off center excites the higher modes of vibration in the head relative to just the 1st vibration mode (which is center going in and out). I used to have the address of a nice little demonstration of this. But the wikipedia entry will do:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibrations_of_a_circular_membrane

Notice that someone worked out that this was perhaps too technical for most readers to understand. Clever. I wouldn't have noticed. Did you?

Anyway...scroll down and there are some animated giffs which show what I'm talking about.

If you try it with the beater hitting a bit above center and this sound doesn't please you (after dealing with matters of head tuning) then the next thing I'd do is try one of those Remo Falam Slam patches (or Evans patch, or similar) where the beater does hit. Or get a quarter (or similar sized piece of metal disk) and stick that on the head using tape (gaffers, duct, whatever you have). Put a couple of pieces of tape right over the coin. See if that helps. What it does (or the falam slam patch) is once again shift how much of the energy is going into which vibrational modes. If the tape/coin test shifts the sound in the direction you like then you might want to invest in a Falam Slam (or similar).

Remo: http://www.remo.com/portal/products/2/599/613/dh_falams_slam.html

Evans:

http://www.evansdrumheads.com/EvAccessoriesPatches.Page?ActiveID=3576

I've used the Remo falam slam patch (on a coated Remo Ambassador) on my 18" bass where the normal height beater hits 2/3 of the way to the top. No problemo, plenty of punch. The falam slam (or quarter) moves the sound profile in the direction of more punch. So if that's what you find lacking with off center you have some cheap experiments to conduct.

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From mlayton

i was just fooling with this last night on a 20. ive got a 66 ludwig 20" clubdate bass that i had found some original heads for and installed them last night. i have it setup with a wfl speed king pedal right now and an original felt beater. i noticed that i get a more full,rich tone with the beater above center. i positioned it center and did not care for the sound. i think some of it may be the longer throw by having the beater in a longer position. mike

Thanks for the nice example showing that acoustical physics works in practice, Mike. Excellent description of the phenomenon.

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From mlayton

i was just fooling with this last night on a 20. ive got a 66 ludwig 20" clubdate bass that i had found some original heads for and installed them last night. i have it setup with a wfl speed king pedal right now and an original felt beater. i noticed that i get a more full,rich tone with the beater above center. i positioned it center and did not care for the sound. i think some of it may be the longer throw by having the beater in a longer position. mike

+1 - just above center produces the best sound and a nice balanced feel in the pedal. Mr. Mike tells you true.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
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WOW! Great reading. Thanks everyone! Now my head hurts! band2

So - I guess my next question is what type of sound do the different beaters make and what is your preference?

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Posted on 12 years ago
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your throw should b at 6 inches for best response

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From Purdie Shuffle

+1 - just above center produces the best sound and a nice balanced feel in the pedal. Mr. Mike tells you true.John

No one here remembers your grade-school percussion methods book which instructed to always hit just outside of center on a concert bass drum? Same principle applies for the kick basses on our sets for all the technical reasons Zenstat articulated above. Good points made, but sometimes I deliberately break the rule just to get the flat, dead-nodal thud produced by the center of the head. Experiment to get the sound you like best.

-No Guru... still learning more every day-
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