Good questions! I'll give you one answer (my opinion)....:p

I think it's a matter of application. There's nothing I love more than to see an all-original set of vintage drums -hardware and all! That's what I look for when I collect. Believe me, it helps restrict my spending! ;)

I have a 1969 Jazzette kit. The provenance of the kit was that it was bought for a child...the child lost interest...the drums were shelved....years later, "Let's clean out the store room and have a yard sale...." and now it's found its way into a very good and appreciative home where it will remain lovely for the remainder of my watch over it! Every piece of hardware is THE hardware that was purchased with the drums. AND, even the Supra is matched (as evidenced by the badge numbers). It was a rare + rare = super rare deal!

Also, I have another drum kit called a "Deluxe Classic" that came out in the late 60's and it was differentiated from the more common Super Classic configuration by two things: A.) It didn't have a bass drum mounted cymbal bracket/arm and B.) It had to have the (then) new "Atlas" hardware package (consisting of an Atlas hi-hat stand, snare drum stand and two cymbal stands). If it didn't specifically have that hardware package, then it couldn't technically be called a Deluxe Classic.

A similar story holds true for the Ludwig Hollywood and the Big Beat kits, too.

So, as you can see...in some cases, it is imperative that the proper hardware package be considered!

But let me clarify...

IF I run across a "shell pack" (just the toms and bass drum) consisting of a 22" bass drum, a 13" tom tom and a 16" floor tom and everything was matched and I happen to notice the bass drum didn't have a cymbal bracket (and wasn't drilled for one), then I'd have a good clue the drums were intended for an Atlas hardware package and meant to be sold as a DC.

Now, having said all that, working drummers use what they feel most comfortable using...and it's quite often not 100% vintage hardware. I'm just sayin'!Burger Kin

The rules of the road change depending on the type of driving we're talking about!

O-Lugs.

As a new comer to this world of vintage drum collecting, I was trying to find out how purist this collecting world has become....I suspect it is rather new

....perhaps 20 years or more.

I have a collecting passion that is 150 years old or more, and it has become more purist than it was 50 years ago.

I wonder if that will happen with collectable drums....I suspect it might?

The set you found from the young boy in total original format might become the benchmark for future collectors....if that is how this collecting hobby evolves.

Similar to the other stuff I collect....it has been suggested on this Forum there will be "player vintage sets" ...and "collector vintage sets"….a totally different game.

I suspect that the criteria for real collector sets will only become more stringent as time marches on and the value spreads will increase big time as long as "purist serious collectors" are interested in this stuff.

In a purist collecting hobby often there is often very little "wiggle room"

from stuff that is not absolutely original and in pristine condition.

David

You lost me here, what is the 150 years collection reference to, and the vintage drum things is older than 20 years old, also a pure collectors kit, Involves, many criteria sizes, color, condition and rarity, a players vintage kit mean, non original, modifications,etc!

Vintagemore2000,

I suspect that drums have been around in America for a while…maybe not necessarily in the format we are used to.

Here are a few old photos of our drumming predecessors.

The collectability of these drums and their values has to do with their history.

I suspect that the collectable drums of this era "might" eventually fit into the same category....to some degree.(Perhaps)

I don’t collect U.S. Civil War drums …but I collect different stuff from that era.

This collectable stuff has shown what happens to values over time.

Go and check the prices from a Civil War dealer for an original well marked original Civil War drum.

Not the same you say...in time you might be surprised! (For the right stuff.)

David

the only way you can make it collectible is to be able to document that the drum in question was used in a battle,troop, or regiment, which is super hard to do, and this is a super small niche market, I have a very large antique dealer who learned this the expensive way, he bought an entire large rope drum collection, and he still owns this very expensive large rope drum collection, he contacted me a few years ago thinking he was going to get richer, he's already a millionaire, he contacted several well known dealers for help NADA! even tried the Smithsonian, they told him the same thing! marchers have always done poorly, collectible is due to a time in history that a particular drum or artist used this particular drum or Instrument, civil war drums aren't in big demand, unless you can document their existence.

That means determining original collectable drum sets from this era should become easier as time passes…depending on what the criteria is….or …eventually becomes?

I don’t buy the required provenance issue with Civil War drums…check around some more they were not all regimentally marked.

David

Check the Civil War dealers.....and what they are asking.

It is like ebay for collectable drums and the the values perceived elsewhere.

Sometimes there is a difference...right or wrong?

Sometimes the difference is huge.

It still is a very very small niche market!!!

vintage2000,

If you looked into the Civil War collecting world, you might develop a different impression.

I don't need provenance for these two Civil War revolvers to prove that they were there...in the eyes of a Civil War collector.

David