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Unknown Vintage Brass Snare - Maybe Sonor?

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I would like some help and tips about an old snare I have. Its a approx. 14" brass snare, 8 lugs with (I think) flesh hoops an natural skin heads. I have never used a drum with "flesh hoops", just found out about the concept in the last couple of days.

Sadly, the seam has a small crack. Is it worth trying to fix the crack? I was thinking of using this for a small jazzy setup. Anyone now what drum it is? Can I use normal/modern heads and wires on it? I sort of look like this Sonor, similar to the first drum in this link (besides the handle on the side):

https://www.vintagesonor.com/sonor-marshing-drums/

That would maybe suggest that its a (pre?) 1907-model. I can´t find a badge but its very similar.

This site had a very similar drum that is marked "early 1930s":

https://hheim-vintagedrums.de/snaredrums

Also Similar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bSxCbsYKy4

Any advice or tips appreciated!

Also, the hoop is slightly warped, I have not taken the drum apart yet so I dont know if the drum is 100% round.

Posted on 1 year ago
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"Looks like an A&F"......brand new.....

Kidding. Lovely drum.

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Thanks to Mr. Jerry Jenkins
Posted on 1 year ago
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The shell delamination can be fixed......Brazed at the Welding Shop.

Will a standard, store bought 14" head fit on your drum?

Side Note: I do not think that drum can take high tension without breaking. Might sound like a field drum.

For jazz, a smaller tighter drum is good for me. BUT....it might be GREAT for jazz. HEY, theres that NEW SOUND. How do I get that?

Use a brass snare with a crack in the seam.

BLAEMIRE DRUMS
Thanks to Mr. Jerry Jenkins
Posted on 1 year ago
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"Looks like an A&F"......brand new.....

Kidding. Lovely drum.

Yeah, its actually just a brand new Ludwig that I paid the Fender custom-shop to relic! Now I´m not sure if it was worth the extra 10 grand for that vintage-looking crack... :)

Posted on 1 year ago
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The shell delamination can be fixed......Brazed at the Welding Shop.

Will a standard, store bought 14" head fit on your drum?

Side Note: I do not think that drum can take high tension without breaking. Might sound like a field drum.

You think? Yeah, I was thinking that maybe one could braze it, but the shell is really thin and it might warp (or loosen what still holds it together). I have done some basic brazing (and welding) a long time ago, but never on brass I think.

I´m not native on english, so I´m not certain what you would call this type of construction. There are no "normal" lugs, the tension screws are fastened to the rim and not the shell. Therefore, the shell is a really thin sheet "clamped" between two rims. The tension screws are really thick and gives the drum some structual value, but doesn´t add sideways support to the shell walls.

Like an empty coca cola can: it takes a suprising amount of vertical preassure/weight when there is no warp, but collapses really fast when the there is a dent. A really straight "vertical" crack might be stronger than a "horizontal" dent when it comes to an even "vertical" load (from the tensionscrews and rim). Also, it might be that the thick "flesh hoops" are helping to hold the shell together like a barrel hoop. Since all this is just loose theory, I thought it would be better to ask somebody who tinkered with these kind of drums. (Before I take it apart + maybe try a normal 14" head on it)

green glass drum;476029

For jazz, a smaller tighter drum is good for me. BUT....it might be GREAT for jazz. HEY, theres that NEW SOUND. How do I get that?

Use a brass snare with a crack in the seam.

Yeah, people are always asking how the get a nice "crack" out of the snare, but I don´t know if this is the right way to do it? ;)

Posted on 1 year ago
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Hey Sir......so does a modern/plastic 14" head fit on it?

AND...would a standard size shell fit between those rims

Maybe just swap out that shell.....and keep it....for something.

Free-Floater style shell.....NO HOLES.

BLAEMIRE DRUMS
Thanks to Mr. Jerry Jenkins
Posted on 1 year ago
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Hey Sir......so does a modern/plastic 14" head fit on it?

AND...would a standard size shell fit between those rims

Maybe just swap out that shell.....and keep it....for something.

Free-Floater style shell.....NO HOLES.

Thanks for your reply. No, I haven´t tried that yet. Since both rims are attached to each other, changing one head is = taking the drum apart (sort of). But I guess I´ll just get some cheap heads and see if they fit. Maybe cut the natural skin and pressing the flesh hoop towards the cracked area makes the drum less likely to disform.

Posted on 1 year ago
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Enlarged diameter for vintage drums?

If anyone is interested, a standard 14" heads from Tama did not fit.

Remo Classic Fit Sizing Specs says that a 14" diameter Classic Fit drumhead has an inner diameter (from aluminum flesh-hoop) of 14.130 inches.

Aquarian has an 14" American Vintage head that suppose to be "slightly enlarged diameter for many vintage drums". I cant find any info if that is the same diameter (14,130") as the Remo classic. I´m not sure that 0,13" extra is enough.

Q: Anyone knows if the Aquarian American Vintage is bigger, or know about any of-the-shelf head that is more oversized than + 0,13" ?

(My local store does not have any oversized (Classic/Vintage) heads).

Posted on 1 year ago
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OK, if anyone is interested: I bought some coated Remo classic (oversized 14") and they fit. Also some new wires, so now the drum is in working order anyway!

Posted on 1 year ago
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So maybe you have the drum pictured here, it has the same everything but leg wire, but SONOR has that shape too.

http://sonormuseum.com/catalogs/1930/images/Sonor%20catalogus%201930%20wm%206.jpg

so it may be.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

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Posted on 1 year ago
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