Only Admins can see this message.
Data Transition still in progress. Some functionality may be limited until the process is complete.
Processing Attachment, Gallery - 185.37787%

Tony Williams bass drum size with Miles

Loading...

From tnsquint

I am curious as to your opinions on this: I have often thought that the advent of an 18" kick was simply based on the necessity of what would fit in the station wagon used for touring jazz trios and quartets back in the 50's. Necessisity being the mother of invention. 26", and 28" kick drums that were prominent at the time were just physically too big. Only after the fact did musicians start to see the value of a small, articulate kick. What do you guys think?

Good conversation material. I think part of the downsizing of drum sizes probably had to do with the jazz groups getting smaller. Early on, big band was kind of the thing. Big band players like Krupa were rocking out some big bass drums. Over time, big bands were tough to keep up due to the number of guys to pay. Solution? Trios, Quartets, and Quintets came along and became more of the norm. With smaller groups, there wasn't a need for as much volume; hence, the smaller drums (especially bass drums). The small group trend setting drummers began playing smaller drums. I'm not a jazz historian, but a player and lover of jazz music....and I consider myself a jazz player first.

Anyhow, this is my theory. The good news is that there are no rules. Play whatever you want and what serves the music best. I like having a few different drum setups depending on my mood or the playing situation...kind of like that with cymbals too.

Posted on 13 years ago
#11
Loading...

From AtlantaDrumGuy

Good conversation material. I think part of the downsizing of drum sizes probably had to do with the jazz groups getting smaller. Early on, big band was kind of the thing. Big band players like Krupa were rocking out some big bass drums. Over time, big bands were tough to keep up due to the number of guys to pay. Solution? Trios, Quartets, and Quintets came along and became more of the norm. With smaller groups, there wasn't a need for as much volume; hence, the smaller drums (especially bass drums). The small group trend setting drummers began playing smaller drums. I'm not a jazz historian, but a player and lover of jazz music....and I consider myself a jazz player first. Anyhow, this is my theory. The good news is that there are no rules. Play whatever you want and what serves the music best. I like having a few different drum setups depending on my mood or the playing situation...kind of like that with cymbals too.

I agree as to the form fitting function. I just wonder if it was the physical necessity of a smaller kick or the musicality of a smaller kick that came first. Of course, it doesnt really matter, but it is interesting none the less.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 13 years ago
#12
Posts: 1296 Threads: 208
Loading...

Davey Tough asked Gretsch to make a 20" BD for him because of stage space limitations in the smaller clubs. Ed Shaughnessy claims to have had the first 18" BD which he requested Slingerland make for him, again due to stage space. Sounds like it had everything to due with practical needs not musical taste.

The Band

Never play it the same way once.
Posted on 13 years ago
#13
Loading...

That is very interesting information. Davey Tough: now that is a name I have not heard in a very long time. Thanks for posting.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 13 years ago
#14
Loading...

By the way, I finally got my Gretsch Roundbadge kit all set up...just recently got this one with the 20, 12, 14 sizes. The toms already had the heads on and were tuned perefect. So I only had to put the bass heads on, which came with original heads. I was planning to install an Aquarian vintage but I went ahead and put the old Powertone on there. Tuned that bass up fairly high, and let me tell you...that's the sound to me. So much so, that I'm really not tempted to get an 18" now. The 20" is able to get a pretty high tuning and you might be surprised. Anyways, I couldn't be happier with them. Cheap? No. Worth every dime? Yes.

Posted on 13 years ago
#15
Posts: 1296 Threads: 208
Loading...

Speaking of heads for vintage Gretsch: I have a RB 14x14 FT w/Black Nitron wrap that only Aquarian American Vintage heads would fit. Discovered last night that the Evans G1 and Attack TB work as well. The Evans is snug but easily fits and the Attack is even a little looser.

Soap Box

Never play it the same way once.
Posted on 13 years ago
#16
Loading...

From AtlantaDrumGuy

By the way, I finally got my Gretsch Roundbadge kit all set up...just recently got this one with the 20, 12, 14 sizes. The toms already had the heads on and were tuned perefect. So I only had to put the bass heads on, which came with original heads. I was planning to install an Aquarian vintage but I went ahead and put the old Powertone on there. Tuned that bass up fairly high, and let me tell you...that's the sound to me. So much so, that I'm really not tempted to get an 18" now. The 20" is able to get a pretty high tuning and you might be surprised. Anyways, I couldn't be happier with them. Cheap? No. Worth every dime? Yes.

I think you meant 'Permatone' but... RIGHT ON!

My 3-ply "Progressive Jazz" set with calf on all sides:

Posted on 13 years ago
#17
Loading...

From royal ace

I think you meant 'Permatone' but... RIGHT ON!My 3-ply "Progressive Jazz" set with calf on all sides:

Nice kit! And you're right, that's what I meant...LOL.

Posted on 13 years ago
#18
Loading...

Here is a photo of mine, minus the cymbals.

1 attachment
Posted on 13 years ago
#19
  • Share
  • Report
Action Another action Something else here