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From Purdie Shuffle

LOL - no, not quite. I'm curious about how other drummers value certain rewrapped kits. If at all.And yes, 'refurbished' is a more accurate description. And, I'll take a well-executed rewrap of some rare drums, that are in excellent condition, over an all original one that's been beat to hell. I'm not a 'purist' I'm a player. I wouldn't gig a rare all original kit, I'd be afraid to. But a rewrap... no problema. It gets played out and others get to enjoy them -the way they were meant to be enjoyed-. Some guys have these great vintage kits that just sit in cases in their basements for decades. I'd rather have a killer refurb kit that'll get played, than one I'm worried about harming and never gets played, much less gigged. What are they for if not to be played, enjoyed and admired by others. That's part of the reason why I value good rewrapped vintage kits, over even middle-of-the-road original kits. Museum pieces are rare... that's the only stuff that's really worth "collecting" with an eye toward preservation and appreciation. Rewraps get played out and heard. They're drums... beat em! John

There's nothing wrong with re-wrapping a kit, but don't expect the value to be the same. As far as gigging, I gig with a vintage Slingerland kit that has the original wrap, but they are not mint. They look cool, sound great and still hold a better value than if I re-wrapped them because the wrap is not terrible. I'd rather use an original vintage kit with a few scuffs and dings to gig with than re-wrapping it. As far as re-cutting the edges, never, that's why I like vintage drums, if I wanted a modern sound, I'd go buy a new kit.

Here's the 60's Slingerland kit I'm talking about in a red glass glitter, it has a few scuffs so I don't have to worry about gigging with it. Would you re-wrap it to make it look new?

Some guys collect vintage kits as an investment, they don't play the mint ones, they find ones like mine and use them for gigging.

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Nope, I certainly would not re-wrap that kit. It looks really great. Of course if you turn the floor tom around and all the wrap were missing on the player's side......

I think we are actually on the same page. John is not saying that a re-wrapped kit should be worth a collector's grade vintage kit or even a good quality player grade vintage kit. He is just lamenting the fact that the market deems a re-wrap as possibly a 50% reduction in "blue book value". Nothing to be done about it, just ranting.

If you look at Jeff's Big R restoration in Koa veneer, I would personally say that is a better kit now than when it left the factory. Would it garner a top dollar on a sale? Probably not. Is it "worth" a top dollar sale? I believe so though the market probably will not agree. Will he sell it? I doubt it!

As to recutting bearing edges, who says you can only re-cut with a modern dual 45? I have a Slingerland kick from '62 that had the disco era bearing edge issue that we have all seen. As you might guess there was also no reso hoop or T-Rods. I had the reso bearing edge recut with a vintage round over and it now sounds great. Unfortunately the drum is now only 8" deep (just kidding) I have seen plenty of factory drums that do not have level edges or poor craftsmanship that should be recut IF one is planning on playing them in any kind of mid to high profile setting.

As to Stradivarius, I don't recall him covering any of his violins with plastic or acetate. Plus I don't believe you will ever find a drum that would be worth anywhere near what one of those is worth. Regarding Guitar Center; shiny drums - yes. Vintage drums - no.

Lastly, regarding my comment on "mojo"; I totally understand that a lot of guys here like that about older drums and that is great. It's just not for me. I see a stained, torn up, beat up drum and I want to fix it. If that means chrome polish and Novus, so be it. If the wrap is too far gone I would check here first to see if anyone loves it as it is and, if not, re-wrap.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 12 years ago
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Thanks for elaborating, squint! You 'got' what I was trying to say...

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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This post explains perfectly why I like re-wrapped kits. I can get great classic shells, with a great finish, not peeling or cracked, and get them for an affordable price. And as a bonus, I can gig with the kit without worrying too much about scratching it up.

I gig with all my kits, and wouldn't think of buying a kit to keep on a shelf. It's just the way I roll. Of course if I picked up a '64 red sparkle RB, bop sizes in excellent condition it would see a lot less gigs than my other kits but I'd still gig with it.

Like someone has on there sign off "Hit-it it's a drum!!!"

1958 Gretsch Kit
1966 Kent Kit
1969 Ludwig Standard Kit
1970 Rogers Power Tone Kit
1970's Ludwig Vistalite Kit
1994 Yamaha Maple Custom
2010 Yamaha Maple Custom
28 assorted snares (including some real crap)
and 1 really nice K Zildjian Istanbul
Posted on 12 years ago
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From tnsquint

Nope, I certainly would not re-wrap that kit. It looks really great. Of course if you turn the floor tom around and all the wrap were missing on the player's side......I think we are actually on the same page. John is not saying that a re-wrapped kit should be worth a collector's grade vintage kit or even a good quality player grade vintage kit. He is just lamenting the fact that the market deems a re-wrap as possibly a 50% reduction in "blue book value". Nothing to be done about it, just ranting. If you look at Jeff's Big R restoration in Koa veneer, I would personally say that is a better kit now than when it left the factory. Would it garner a top dollar on a sale? Probably not. Is it "worth" a top dollar sale? I believe so though the market probably will not agree. Will he sell it? I doubt it!As to recutting bearing edges, who says you can only re-cut with a modern dual 45? I have a Slingerland kick from '62 that had the disco era bearing edge issue that we have all seen. As you might guess there was also no reso hoop or T-Rods. I had the reso bearing edge recut with a vintage round over and it now sounds great. Unfortunately the drum is now only 8" deep (just kidding) I have seen plenty of factory drums that do not have level edges or poor craftsmanship that should be recut IF one is planning on playing them in any kind of mid to high profile setting. As to Stradivarius, I don't recall him covering any of his violins with plastic or acetate. Plus I don't believe you will ever find a drum that would be worth anywhere near what one of those is worth. Regarding Guitar Center; shiny drums - yes. Vintage drums - no. Lastly, regarding my comment on "mojo"; I totally understand that a lot of guys here like that about older drums and that is great. It's just not for me. I see a stained, torn up, beat up drum and I want to fix it. If that means chrome polish and Novus, so be it. If the wrap is too far gone I would check here first to see if anyone loves it as it is and, if not, re-wrap.

I get ya about the edges, I thought they were saying they would re-cut for a more modern sound, if the edges were totally shot, then yes, I would have them done as well.

I'm with the "mojo guys", I don't mind if a kit is a little beat up, in fact, I'm buying a Slingerland kit in green satin flame that has some cosmetic issues, but the price is right and it still looks and sounds great.

Posted on 12 years ago
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Great responses and opinions by everyone, so far. Plus, they've all been civil.;)

I guess it comes down to seeing the drums as an instrument or more of a collectable.

Classic cars are the same. You have the "drivers" and the "trailer queens". Cars have their paint and drums have their wrap. When the paint gets faded and the rust starts forming, you get to the point where bodywork and a fresh coat are necessary. For example, you probably wouldn't want to drive/repaint/modify an original 1963 split window Corvette with only 5,000 miles, which was found locked up in a storage unit since 1965.

Same thing could be said for drums. If the wrap is cracked, the bottom hoops have been missing for years with bearing edges that have gouges, some of the lugs are pitted and the bass drum hoops are all nicked up and missing the inlay. In my opinion, it makes sense to re-wrap, replace some lugs, re-work the bearings and repaint the hoops. Otherwise, there is a very good chance that the drums would end up in the landfill or purchased by someone just to be parted out.

-Tim

Posted on 12 years ago
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From kevins

If I buy an outfit for a grand, and decide to sell it a year or two later and I get a grand for it, I'm way ahead....I enjoyed the set for a year or two rent free.If I get a little less, I paid a little rent.I love the mojo left by previous owners in most cases.Shoot, if BR stuck a wad of gum next to the throw off and documented it, I'd leave it there till the wrap fell off.If VTM2000 stuck it there, I'd say "What the hell, man???"Purdie sold me a Ludwig outfit some time ago that he re-wrapped in a beautiful and no longer available Abalone Pearl. Gorgeous...!!Can I get what I paid for it ?? I dunno, and don't want to sell it.Can I put a price on the gift he made to me a little later of an additional concert tom he wrapped to go with the set? Can I set a price on the effort I put into staggering the additional lugs to that gifted concert tom?Nope..!So, for this outfit, the perceived market price by others pales in comparison to the money paid, generosity of a gift, "rarity" of finish, sweat equity, and quirkiness involved in the outfit's existence.This is an example of what to some degree is involved with a lot of re-wrapped sets out there.....can't put a price on love and the "Human Element".

That is a nice story. :)

Posted on 12 years ago
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From kevins

If I buy an outfit for a grand, and decide to sell it a year or two later and I get a grand for it, I'm way ahead....I enjoyed the set for a year or two rent free.If I get a little less, I paid a little rent.I love the mojo left by previous owners in most cases.Shoot, if BR stuck a wad of gum next to the throw off and documented it, I'd leave it there till the wrap fell off.If VTM2000 stuck it there, I'd say "What the hell, man???"Purdie sold me a Ludwig outfit some time ago that he re-wrapped in a beautiful and no longer available Abalone Pearl. Gorgeous...!!Can I get what I paid for it ?? I dunno, and don't want to sell it.Can I put a price on the gift he made to me a little later of an additional concert tom he wrapped to go with the set? Can I set a price on the effort I put into staggering the additional lugs to that gifted concert tom?Nope..!So, for this outfit, the perceived market price by others pales in comparison to the money paid, generosity of a gift, "rarity" of finish, sweat equity, and quirkiness involved in the outfit's existence.This is an example of what to some degree is involved with a lot of re-wrapped sets out there.....can't put a price on love and the "Human Element".

Excellent post Kev!

Man, you gotta stop posting pictures of that kit! That was/is one of the best sounding Ludwig kits I ever played. No BS. There really is something magical sounding about that particular set of 6-ply shells. I hated to sell them (necessity) but I'm so glad they went to you and to a good home. I got a huge good feeling out of making the second tom for you. It's deeply gratifying to know how it was appreciated and to 'complete' the kit for you. Enjoy them. It is one of the most musical kits you'll ever play. It was for me...

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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This post has turned into more like a love fest.electricit

1958 Gretsch Kit
1966 Kent Kit
1969 Ludwig Standard Kit
1970 Rogers Power Tone Kit
1970's Ludwig Vistalite Kit
1994 Yamaha Maple Custom
2010 Yamaha Maple Custom
28 assorted snares (including some real crap)
and 1 really nice K Zildjian Istanbul
Posted on 12 years ago
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From mcdrummer

This post has turned into more like a love fest.electricit

C'mon, give us a kiss! Kiss LOL

"And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make!" - McCartney

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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