Thanks Guys. So is it safe to say I scored a high value item? Not really looking to sell it, but since it is in almost mint condition, is my kit now considered a collectors item?? Any other thoughts on this?
Roughly speaking, you've a SC BD & Club Date tom, which makes me think it was pieced together. Value would be greater if it had the matching FT as well. That said, I put a value between 400-700 w/ emphasis toward the 400. Sparkles are common as well -
chris
Hobbs, let me clarify. I already have a full Super Classic 22, 13, 16 matching red sparkle kit. The bass drum with that kit was drilled along the way, which is why I jumped on this mint condition 20 bass drum, and it matches the toms. So I do have a full 13, 16, 20 matching kit now, with no modifications. Is the value higher?
Hobbs, let me clarify. I already have a full Super Classic 22, 13, 16 matching red sparkle kit. The bass drum with that kit was drilled along the way, which is why I jumped on this mint condition 20 bass drum, and it matches the toms. So I do have a full 13, 16, 20 matching kit now, with no modifications. Is the value higher?
Unmarred 22" BD is better than the 20" - yes, I get that you just want to switch them & have an unmolested kit. I prefer 20" BD's over 22", but I'd wager I'm in the minority here. Your 13/16/20 kit, if matching well enough, w/ badge #'s dated similarly (I'm picky @ badges being near enough on vintage, high-end collector kits!), no issues, should be in the 1k-1500k range, depending on whether or not anyone interested had their adult diaper changed that day & were cranky because they had or hadn't, blah blah .... That's based on ebay, btw. CL watchers are cheaper than ebay cats. Way cheaper. Deeply cheap.
Anyway, c
Here is the Super Classic kit from my 1967 Ludwig 1967 Catalog:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30559980@N07/7072087603/
I have the whole catalog scanned but need time to post other pages on-line. These would answer your questions.
Thanks for the lesson guys!
Lynn
Just finished reading the many posts to this thread. Unless I overlooked a post, it appears that no one mentioned the fact that all Ludwig's toms and bass drums (double lugs as opposed to the center-mounted Club Date lug), with the exception of the Club Date series, were called "Classic", not "Super Classic". The Super Classic normally referred to a specific cataloged kit AND a snare drum, too. The Downbeat used separate "Classic" toms and bass drums, as did all the other cataloged kits.
Like others have mentioned, I've also seen many "Super Classic" kits in a 20/13/16 configuration. While certainly not a cataloged configuration, it appears to have been very popular. The real bottom line is that you could pretty much customize a cataloged kit to suit your desires!
Again, if someone did mention about the "Classic" vs "Super Classic", I do apologize!
Mark
...Again, if someone did mention about the "Classic" vs "Super Classic", I do apologize...Mark
I certainly didn't. I've seen them (without a snare) referred to in both forms, but I guess maybe subconsciously, it made me think more highly of the kit if it had the word 'super' in the model name. By the same token, I'd think that my kit originally came with a snare in the same BDP wrap (maybe a Jazz fest?) or a Supra. I've got it paired with a '68 Supra right now. The original purchaser spared no expense with the rest of the kit (as I mentioned, 4 bass drum spurs, and twin mufflers in each tom). I was told these were options rather than cataloged model types, so I would think the guy would have gotten a snare as well. So how is one to determine if the 13/16/20 is a 'classic' or maybe 3/4 of a 'super classic' as opposed to a Downbeat with larger toms?
Thanks for enlightening me.
Stephen
Let me clarify & correct my previous post, since I got off my ass & checked my catalog (1964):
The catalog drumsets are has been said: the Downbeat, (20,12,14,4x14 Downbeat), the Super Classic(22,13,16,Supra), the Club Date,(20,12,14,Pioneer).
Individual drums are listed as follows:
"Super Classic" tom toms, 8x12,9x13,14x14, 16x16,16x18, 18x20. These have what are called "twin 'Classic' tension casings".
"Club Date" tom toms, 8x12,9x13,14x14, with "center row self-aligning tension casings".
"The Ludwig Classic" bass drum, 12x18,14x18, 12x20,14x20,14x22,14x24, with "large twin 'Classic' self-aligning tension casings".
"The Ludwig Century" "separate tension" bass drum, 14x20, 14x22, 14x24, 14x28, with "NEW streamlined self-aligning casings".
So....your 20" bass is a "Classic", your 12" "tom tom" with the "center row self-aligning tension casings" is a Club Date, your 22,13,16 kit is a "Super Classic" drum set (have you got a Supra?), & your 20,13,16 configuration is a set of Ludwig drums. I hope I got this right this time......marko
