The problem with paint is that it might not stay stuck. And, whatever wrap you put on them, will be stuck to the glue, on the paint, and the paint wont stay on the shell.

Just my thoughts, knowing how paint might or might not stick.

Yeah that's what I was thinking too. Granted the paint is on there pretty heavy but I could just see it heating and loosening...and ruining my project.

Strippin paint!

Could be a nice little kit if the balance of the parts were retrieved and it was treated to new wrap - onyx! Paint would come off easily, but you want to be careful to plug off all the holes so that the removal process doesn't leak into the flat grey interiors.

Probably safe at $200-$300 if the bearing edges on the toms are not damaged, which is often the case with drums that have been used without their bottom heads on.

Hi Dan

The bearing edges were in surprising good shape. I'm hoping to start doing some stripping and work on the drums this weekend (fingers crossed).

Apologies but what is probably safe at $200-300?

Kevin

Nice project. That's the Rogers 'Delta' outfit, 20-12-14 with a Luxor snare.

Someone wanted a different mount on there when it was ordered. That is a rare tom arm you have there: it's a hex rod with the ball joint, but the top rod has that L-shaped tab on it to fit the diamond plate on the tom. All Rogers parts. That tom arm is very difficult to find: nice that it's there on this kit.

Some folks back then didn't want to deal with a collet plate on the tom in addition to the one on the bass: the diamond plate set up made it a tiny bit easier to put the tom on and off, but a fair amount of flexibility in positioning was lost.

Good to have the flared legs on the floor tom, makes it more stable.

I don't know if I would strip the paint off those shells. It makes a real mess and the bearing edges and mounting holes need to be protected to keep the stripper away from the interior paint. In cases like this, I have given the shells a good sanding to level them out and prepare the surface for the adhesive. Never had a problem doing it this way. Of course, it's up to you.

The long tension rods for the bottom of the floor tom will take some searching, but they are available.

That 8-lug snare is a sweet upgrade on that kit, the swan-legged stands add a lot of value as well.

That inexpensive cymbal mount on the front of the bass is an add-on from back in the 60's, possibly done by the dealer when new at the buyer's request.

A great project...

One more thing: that paint might be original. Can't tell for sure because I can't see them in person, but an enamel finish was optional to save a few dollars on the kit. If so, a kit like that would have silver sparkle inlays from the factory: silver sparkle commonly turns yellow when it gets old; that might be what you are seeing.

Also, that original logo front head is worth almost $100...

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Hey Bigdan thanks for the input!

You said it was a Luxor snare. But the tag inside still says Tower and I thought Luxor's were usually only 6 lug?? Did the Delta set up is Tower labeled drums I guess?

The paint is pretty heavy. I've been doubting the paint stripping part here lately. So if I ordered a black finish kit it would have come with silver sparkle inlayed hoops? Hmm interesting!

I also noticed that there is no cymbal mount on the right hand side of the kit...any insight on why this wouldn't have been put on?

So if the black is original to the kit would that mean that Rogers factory is the one who put their logo on with nails that went through the label on the side of the snare?

Thanks

Kevin

Hi,

I only mentioned the Luxor snare because that was standard with the Delta outfit. Yours was upgraded to the Tower snare, which is nice because all 4 drums have Tower tags. I've always felt that they originally intended to use the Tower as the standard snare on this outfit, but in an effort to put more separation between the Tower kit and the Holiday kits, they put the Luxor in there to drop the price a little more.

I have seen a number of those kits with Tower or Powertone snares - not surprising since the upgrade was only a few extra dollars: a $10.50 difference in list price in 1967 to move up to the Tower snare.

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I have seen factory installed script logos tacked directly through the paper tags on several Rogers drums. Seems like the factory made sure the script logo was always placed in the correct location on the outside of the shell, but it didn't matter where someone slapped the paper tag on the inside. As was mentioned before, check the heads on the nails. If they're rounded, chances are they're the original Rogers tacks.

I'm just blown away with learning that this kit isn't as destroyed as I originally thought it was!

I paid $100 for everything you see in the picture. Too bad the cymbals are cracked but I still don't think I did bad!

In answer to your other question: The Tower bass did not have a cymbal mount originally.

Also, the factory rarely put the nails thru the paper tag. The tag was put on after the script badge, usually over the nails but not always. This was done almost exclusively on snares. On basses and toms, the tag is rarely found over the nails.

If you see a drum with the nails poking thru the tag, it means the badge was removed and then replaced. It does not always indicate that the drum was rewrapped: I have seen a lot of drums where the badges are missing, or were removed and then reinstalled. Why? I don't know. A lot of weird things happen to drums over a period of 50 years (half a century!), especially when they are in the hands of teenagers. Sometimes I'm amazed that any vintage drums have survived at all.

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