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Rogers Red Onyx "Lefty" Bop kit on eBay Last viewed: 9 hours ago

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I enlarged the photo and these are the serial numbers I see:

floor tom - 112xxx

bass - 89xxx

tom - 81xxx

snare 17xxx

The numbers are not that far apart, and the ride tom has a very late number for a flat grey Dayton drum - probably made shortly before the switch to speckled paint.

The very light paint inside the bass makes sense: it has a low serial number for a speckled Dayton drum - meaning it's an early one, and they did not settle on the well-known shade of speckled grey for a little while.

Those shop stickers are all original and well worn. They tie this kit together in one of the best ways possible. I have little doubt this kit was delivered as a set. The drums were obviously built during the early CBS transition, and they were built in the midst of significant production changes being made. The bass being a lefty and the tom being a lefty tie them together as well.

Franks was a big shop and moved a lot of drums. It's possible that they assembled this kit from single drums they had in stock prior to delivery. Dealers did not always keep kits together and often had orphans on the shelf so they could gather what the customer wanted and get them out the door. Again, I have little doubt the kit left the shop together.

The stickers also are proof that none of these were rewrapped.

Too bad about the cracks on the bass seam, but they're not serious.

Overall, a special kit, in my opinion. And worth close to the asking price.

By the way, those serial tags had to be dampened like an old stamp before being affixed to the drum. I've seen others that also looked to have been saturated and then dried.

Posted on 11 years ago
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Thanks Dan! Man, you are a wealth of info (just when I thought I knew a little about Rogers)! Thanks so much for re-affirming my thoughts on this. I'm curious now (because of your comment on blowing up the pics to see the serial #'s & also another members comment on "not showing the serial #'s". On my computer, below the description there are great high-def pics of the kit including huge pics of the tags (labeled with size) with the serial #'s. Are you not seeing those pics? It made me paranoid about bidding to see that folks here thought something shady was going on in the auction as if seller was trying to hide something (which I didn't pick up on when viewing). It seems forthright to me in every way, but I come here to see/read things that I may have missed or did not catch. Thanks again!

Posted on 11 years ago
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[QUOTE=Cool Stuff;264515]

I've been looking for an original Rogers bop kit for a long time (3 years) & haven't seen anything legit for sale in forever. I've played 60's Camco & Gretsch bop sets before (which were awesome) but have always wanted a 60's Rogers bop kit because as far as tuning range goes, Rogers takes the cake due to their bearing edge profiles (in my humble opinion, & I've owned 60's kits by all the big boys).

Cool Stuff-

You might want to get this kit instead-

http://www.ebay.com/itm/300956403549?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

band3

Posted on 11 years ago
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Thanks for the heads up on this other Rogers BOP that surfaced. How crazy that there's nothing around forever & then 2 pop up at the same time! Wow! Well, I looked at that one really good but am still hooked on the Red Onyx. To me, Red Onyx is thee quintessential Rogers associated color of the 60's. Also, to me the Red Onyx set looks like it's a little cleaner, plus the splits on the Red Onyx are on the bottom of the bass drum where no one (including me!) would ever see (and they've been repaired & are laying flat). The other set has splits on the 12" where they are very visible at all times. Lastly, Rogers 8 lug wood snares are one of the best sounding snare drums, hands-down, that I've ever played. To have one born with a rare kit would be of significant value to me.

This is a tough one though, I really hope I don't have to get both now!

Posted on 11 years ago
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From Cool Stuff

Hello all, I've been a reader & I guess you could say "lurker" on this sight for a long time but finally joined to jump in on this thread because I found it too interesting to pass up (and am very tempted to bid).Mike, there are pics of all the tags & serial #'s with labels telling which tag is from which drum. I've been looking for an original Rogers bop kit for a long time (3 years) & haven't seen anything legit for sale in forever. I've played 60's Camco & Gretsch bop sets before (which were awesome) but have always wanted a 60's Rogers bop kit because as far as tuning range goes, Rogers takes the cake due to their bearing edge profiles (in my humble opinion, & I've owned 60's kits by all the big boys).The lefty thing doesn't bug me because a.) anytime I'd be playing or recording with them, the 12" would either be rims mounted or in a snare basket. I'd just put a Rogers Ride stand in the tom mount.As far as originality, I'm always concerned with that, but...1.) I can't imagine someone piecing together a matching red onyx bop set with all equally faded "Franks Drum Shop" stickers on every drum & every drum is in the same condition including the hardware. 2.) The fact that the 12 & 18 are factory lefty (no extra holes), & the badge nails look perfect & un-tampered with coupled with the Franks stickers is enough evidence for me to rule out the potential of it being a pieced together set. 3.) Potentially damaging their Ebay reputation over 1 bogus drum set just doesn't seem logical. The seller has nice drums for sale & great feedback (from buyers & sellers I recognize). All things I take into consideration when thinking about bidding on a high $ item.I thought about the comment above on the 12" interior being repainted as well. First, it looks the same as any other flat gray interior Rogers I have ever seen or owned & see nothing suspect about it or the label. Second, if someone were going to take the time to re-paint the interior of one drum in a highly collectable kit, to me it would only make sense for them to match it to the other drums (which are speckled, not flat gray).As far as price: This is something that I've thought about the most. What do you price it off of? What do you compare it to? Has anyone seen one sell recently or have any comparison reference? Maybe I'm suffering from infatuation on this kit, but I love Red Onyx, I love Rogers, & I love 18" bass drums. You guys have me concerned with your comments about it being lefty though. I've been collecting for a while & it has never dawned on me that lefty kits were worth less. What are you basing this off of or what am I missing? If I bid & win, am I setting myself up to own a "white elephant" of a set because it's lefty? I would think the rareness of a set like this would trump certain things such as that (or make it even more rare for that matter). I know this is long winded for a first post, but I'd appreciate your guys input on this because I can't stop thinking about this set. It has me hypnotized! I don't want to make an impulse buy, but it all looks legitimate to me. Any Rogers experts out there?

Welcome and good observations. Rogers did make lefty kits. This is a nice bop kit, although a few minor repairs to the wrap.

Regarding price..... They are probably in the ballpark. I have heard of no excuses exceptional Clev bop kits bringing in that range. As with anything, condition, condition, condition....

A Gretsch RB bop kit can bring twice that price, and personally, I will take the Rogers any day.

Posted on 11 years ago
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Thanks for the welcome & your input Power Tone! I agree.

Posted on 11 years ago
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So who ended up getting the Blue Strata Bop Kit? Anyone here?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/300956403549...84.m1423.l2649

Cool Stuff?

Posted on 11 years ago
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I asked some questions on some important (to me) things that I felt were vague in the description & needed verification of before I was willing to bid. The seller responded quickly and confirmed that the 12" had splitting in multiple panels. I asked to see a pic of the splitting with the whole drum pictured so I could see the split sizes in relative to the drum. It was also not clear which panels had the splitting & he did not say. He said he'd send me pics this morning, but as we all know it was long gone by then.

It also concerned me that almost every blue or pink strata Rogers drum I've ever seen has had splits in it. I know Red Onyx is prone to splitting as well, but I've seen & had many un-split red Onyx examples.

I was worried that within a short period of time all 3 drums would have splitting due to its fragile nature. I play my drums & am not interested in owning any that are merely a decoration that I'm scared to play.

I actually felt a little relieved when I saw that it sold because I was trying to convince myself to buy it (& I'm reeaaally good at doing that).

Posted on 11 years ago
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Cool1

Stuff

Im glad you had the disciplined finger. I some times think I need to Go to DA class- (Drummers Anonymous) Im sure everyone here is need of this class sometimes...........but im real proud of you. Inspiration and encouragement for me.

Patience and that Rogers Bop will arrive-the one you really want.

mine did-

for an amazing price-

Cheers-

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Posted on 11 years ago
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Stunning - I'm a Gretsch guy....but i recognise a beautiful kit when I see one....no matter what brand it is....It's all good. Love the finish.....and the drumsParty

From dirtydrums

Cool1StuffIm glad you had the disciplined finger. I some times think I need to Go to DA class- (Drummers Anonymous) Im sure everyone here is need of this class sometimes...........but im real proud of you. Inspiration and encouragement for me. Patience and that Rogers Bop will arrive-the one you really want.mine did- for an amazing price-Cheers-

Posted on 11 years ago
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