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Here we go again! As I recall, we had some issue with this seller not long ago, but I don't remember exactly what it was. Maybe others will remember! In any event, this seller is listing this as a custom wood Dynasonic, not a marching drum. Now, is it just me, or is this seller completely misinformed with this drum?!! I can't imagine this drum being used as a "concert snare drum"! Tried to message the seller, but was not able to. Logged on with my girlfriend's account and was able to message the seller. I guess the seller remembered me from before, knew I was right about the item being offered, but doesn't want to hear from those who know what is being offered! In any event, I simply said that the marching drums came with a simple "L" bracket to attach a drum sling, which was attached below a tension rod. Easily removed! Also, that this drum may have had a leg bracket that attached between two lower tension rods. Again, easily removed!

So, what do you all think?

-Mark

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Posted on 11 years ago
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I'm not a Rogers guy by any means but there are a few things that don't look right to here.

1. The inside of the shell looks too clean and doesn't seem to show any signs of aging on the wood. It looks new, not aged and pristine for the age but new.

2. Looking at those bearing edges and the wrap close up it looks like this was cut recently.

3. Weren't most, if not all of the BIG 5 drum companies still wrapping their outer wraps right into the shells during the time period when this drum would have been made?

I think that it is a reproduction using Rogers parts and wouldn't touch it at any price.

Posted on 11 years ago
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That snare is the real thing, imho. The wrap has the orange-peel texture that wraps had in that era. The way the edges are dressed with a file is correct. The seam is correct: Rogers never did the short-cut method of applying the wrap to a sheet of plywood and then bending into a shell - like Ludwig did. Rogers used Keller shells, which arrived at the plant as long perfectly round tubes.

Rogers marching drums many times had a Rogers leg rest bolted to them, this one did not. It may have been supported by a sling attached to loops fitted under the t-rods or some other arrangement. In any event, the drum shows no evidence of having been used for marching. Whether it was originally a marcher or not, it shows none of the extreme wear that those drums normally have. Looks like a nice drum and it looks like it sat in a case for the last almost 50 years. Still wearing the black elastics on the frame...

Concert drums were usually 8" deep, not 10". That suggests that the drum was originally ordered for marching, but we'll never know. In any event, the drum is extremely clean and undrilled and will appeal to certain folks. There are people who collect parade drums, this looks like a nice one.

By the way, if I was going to build a fake Dyna, why would I waste my time building a fake marching drum? The real money is in a 5" or 6.5" drum.

Posted on 11 years ago
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Dan C, thanks for the info.

As for why you would repro a drum of that depth I can't explain but I've seen people do so crazy things over the years.

Posted on 11 years ago
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It doesn't really matter what you call this Dyna. A Dyna is a Dyna no matter what shell size. They could be ordered in 5x14, 6.5x14, 8x14, 10x14, or 12x15. Those were the Keller shells available, and although the 10x14 and 12x15 were typically ordered as marching or parade drums, you certainly could order one without a leg rest and use it exclusively as a concert snare. What you did with it was your business.

But the absence of a leg rest and sling eyelet isn't confirmation that this was originally ordered as a concert snare, as two types of Rogers leg rests were attached to the tension rods (not the shell) and were easily removable (see catalog pic below). The inclusion of a mounted key holder is interesting though, as this was more common on marchers than concert snares. Regardless of how it was originally ordered, this one almost looks like it just came out of the box.

Everything looks original right down to the mounting screws and washers for this Dayton period, and as Dan pointed out, it even still has the elastics on the snare frame. A very pristine example. The only thing that bothers me about it is what Matt points out... the interior of the shell looks too clean, too new looking, almost like it was sanded. Shouldn't the interior be clear-lacquered with that dark amber Fruitwood color? But if that doesn't bother Dan, then I'm satisified this drum is all factory original. But then there's the price... wow.

Mike

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Posted on 11 years ago
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The badge is not factory. The grommet has no inside crimp at all. Why would two screws hold a grommet badge ?

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Posted on 11 years ago
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I've been enjoying this thread, but would like to add more of my knowledge about this drum. First, all marching drums only came with the small "L" hook to attach the sling. That hook was mounted beneath one tension rod and easily removed. Any type of leg rest needed to be ordered separately. My gut feeling is that a clamp-on mount was ordered and just misplaced by the time the seller found this drum.

I think we can agree that almost any size wood-shell Dynasonic could be ordered, but let's be honest. Back in the 60's, who would really order a concert snare in this size?

As to the inside finish being so pristine, it's very possible that this drum was just never used.

As to the grommet, you should all know that Rogers grommets were never crimped over. The length was just long enough to look flush with the inside of the shell. Grommets were always press fit into the shells... at least during the time period we are concerned with here. Maybe TommyP can confirm this?

I guess what bothers me most is the seller's attitude that there is no way this could be a marching drum and must have been custom ordered. Based on what? I want to see the order form proving this!!

Still, it's a Dynasonic... and in museum-quality condition. The price has been lowered, too!

Mark

Posted on 11 years ago
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