Greetings. I play a 20/12/14 rogers Holiday 'Cleveland' era set. I have recorded and toured nationally on this set and I love it. I'm looking for a second set of rogers for the same purposes (back up kit / rehearsals / studio set). As everyone knows these aren't the easiest sets to come across. I was wondering if anyone could clue me into the differences in the models and factories in the drum construction / quality / sound? I have come across some sets that are similar but either not a 'Holiday' model, or not a 'Cleveland' era set. Some that have the flat grey interiors, some with the speckled grey interiors. Anyone with advice would be greatly appreciated. For example, there is a 'powertone' set I'm looking at, but I'm not sure if they will sound like the ones I have. They are too far away for me to try out in person before buying. So wondering how these shells would compare to the Holiday shells? thanks so much!
Rogers Era / Model Shell differences
If your cleveland set are early beavertails, 63 into 64, they will most likely be three ply shells. 9/72 fullertons were mostly three ply shells. See the catalogue, 1973. Later Cleveland tagged shells 64-66 were five ply, mpmpm shells, Flat gray daytons 66/67, speckled gray daytons 67-69, and Fullerton tagged sets, both holiday and powertone big tag drums 69-71/72 are all five ply. Big R from 75-78/79 were five ply. 79-84 are eight ply all maple. All shells were Keller, 62/3 through 84.
Post some pics with paper tag information from your Cleveland tags including serials and tag variations. this is the best way to date drums down to specific year ranges.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Hey p-man, could you maybe type out the detail of the shells throughout the years. That would be a good sticky. You guys have done this several times. Thanks.
wow...
i now know who i will be asking about my most recnt find...
thxs 4 the read..
i will post soon..
Bop iT / Til U Drop iT.ROGER's
1964 Cleveland,.18/14/12 in WMP
1966 Cleveland, 20/14/12 O'natural.
Fullerton,...20/16/13/12 Silver Glass
WFL
1957 B/R Super Classics In WMP
Snares..
Wood & COB Powertones,
Wood & COB Dynasonics,
57 Jazz Festival
Zildjian avedis cymbals.
40s/60s era.
If your cleveland set are early beavertails, 63 into 64, they will most likely be three ply shells. 9/72 fullertons were mostly three ply shells. See the catalogue, 1973. Later Cleveland tagged shells 64-66 were five ply, mpmpm shells, Flat gray daytons 66/67, speckled gray daytons 67-69, and Fullerton tagged sets, both holiday and powertone big tag drums 69-71/72 are all five ply. Big R from 75-78/79 were five ply. 79-84 are eight ply all maple. All shells were Keller, 62/3 through 84.Post some pics with paper tag information from your Cleveland tags including serials and tag variations. this is the best way to date drums down to specific year ranges.
I own an early Fullerton Powertone kit that is 3 ply.
I have heard that the early swivo 1958-early 60's b+b lug kits had a rounder /fatter edge and make a difference sound wise than the later B+B/Beavertail cleveland kits.I have a 66/67 Cleveland Dayton 5 ply kit and the edges are Much sharper than a Luddy or Sling from that Era,I would be interested to know what the difference in sound would be between a cleveland era 3 and 5 ply would be.For what it is worth I have played a few 9/72 kits,don't know the ply count,but they sounded very similar to my kit.
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