My concern with the Rogers would be the hardware, other than that they sound every bit as good if not better than the Ludwigs. Personally I think the Ludwigs are worth more.

They had a very large and very deep Rock drummer pool in the 60s and the 70s. As far as the selling ... they followed a very similar track that Ludwig followed.

I've seen several kits like the clubbies. Club Date kits that had a 13", 22" bass drum configuration would come with a classic lug 16". I've seen a bunch of them over the years.

In my very humble opinion, a 60's club date kit in SBP in those sizes, 13, 16, 22, has much more value, (because of the rarity of the wrap and drum sizes for the model,) than a WMP 'non-Ohio' Rogers Holiday kit, hardware added or not.

Keep the clubbies... you'd be trading -down-.

John

Hey, and didn't both companies follow the "track" at about the same time to discontinuing the 3-ply w/re-rings shells in favor of the multi-ply shells (Ludwig 6 and Slingerland 5), which supposedly projected the "rock" sound much better?

Rogers, on the other hand, went to their multi-ply no-ring shell with their "Big R" line in 1975, if I'm not mistaken. I'm pretty sure at least Ludwig made the change in 1978 or 79...

Sorry for "hi-jacking" this thread. I probably should have started a new one...

Agreed. Even though "Chicago" and "Kansas" drummers used Slingerland, at the very least my perception was that if you Rocked, you played Ludwigs, as for the most part Slingerland's people were more of the establishment type of music. That was not only my perception, but the same as the crowd I ran with at the time.

I became a teenager in 1968. My parents were "Big Band" era people. My Dad hated the "Rock" sound and all that went with it. His was what I still consider a typical "crew-cut" reaction to all of the "long-hair" music. I looked at him as the establishment type, so naturally I was anything but that.

All i can add is I have a Ludwig cd in sbp 20" base, 13 tom and 14 jazz fest and I really dig it, like John said the wrap is really cool. I need a floor tom for my kit. And just to add, I saw Phil Ehart play with Kansas last summer and he was playing Yamaha's Just want to mention he is one of my favorite drummers, I was a Kansas freak in the day. Great show by the way, even with Steve Walsh's burned out vocals!

Jeff C

Jeff,

They played in Wichita a couple of years ago. Yeah, Yamahas then, too.

But yes, they're still a blast!

I was big into Kansas back in the day, too. It helped that they were from my home town, and although I was not personally aquainted with any of the ones that actually made it big, I did know one of their original members as well as one keyboard guy that was in a band with some of them just before Kansas (Plain Jane).

GREAT sound. Serious music, with many themes going on. Not just "yeah-yeah-yeah" 1-4-5 rock 'n roll, that's for sure!

Bill

Thats cool Bill!

come on you rock stars .... Bill ward from Black Sabbath played slingys as well as Fito Deleparta from Canned heat both bands from the 60's they were just not a s popular as ludwig either was rogers they had very few rock endorsers compared to ludwig