sorry Rich K., thought you might be Rich King, only reason I asked is because I showed him the snare years ago in his garage. A guy named Bjorn (from the other forum) is gonna try and post a pix of his tommorow. The strange, or maybe not so strange, thing is that his and the one I had where made on the same day, APR 19 1967. Which leads me to believe it was just a screw-up at the factory...